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Neanderthal-Human Hybrid 'A Myth'
ABC News - Discovery News ^ | 12-10-2007 | Jennifer Viegas

Posted on 12/10/2007 11:35:58 AM PST by blam

Neanderthal-human hybrid 'a myth'

Monday, 10 December 2007 Jennifer Viegas

Discovery News

This 29,000 year old skull belonged to a hominid with slightly heavier eyebrows than an average person. But this is not enough to convince anthropologists it's evidence of a human-Neanderthal hybrid (Source: Dan Grigorescu)

Did modern humans interbreed with Neanderthals and, if so, did the mating result in a half-human, half-Neanderthal hybrid?

The answer is possibly 'yes' to the interbreeding but 'no' to the hybrid, according to the authors of a new study that is already making waves among anthropologists.

At the centre of the study, published online in the Journal of Human Evolution, and the current debate, is a 29,000 year old Romanian skull that is one of the oldest fossils in Europe with modern human features.

But those features aren't quite a perfect match with us, which has led some experts to suspect it was a cross between a Neanderthal and a modern human.

That's not so, according to study leader Dr Katerina Harvati, a senior researcher in the Department of Human Evolution at the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology and adjunct associate professor of anthropology at the City University of New York Graduate School.

"It differs from living people only in subtle ways, and always well within the range of modern human variation," says Harvati, who worked with the Max Planck Institute researcher Dr Philipp Gunz and Professor Dan Grigorescu, from the University of Bucharest.

"It has, for instance, slightly heavier eyebrows than the average person, and is generally somewhat more robust than average," she adds, explaining that modern humans have gradually evolved to become more slight and slender than upper Palaeolithic people were.

Comparing skulls

She and her team took detailed 3D measurements of the Romanian skull, called Cioclovina calvaria, and compared these with a similar head shape analysis of Neanderthals, modern humans and fossils of other hominids found in Europe, Africa and countries bordering the eastern Mediterranean Sea.

The researchers also studied animal hybrids and developed an unprecedented list of proposed criteria for evaluating whether or not a fossil specimen is a hybrid.

The criteria include: greater or much smaller size than the parental species, on average; evidence for developmental instability; possible occurrence of rare attributes, such as having extra teeth or bone joints; and possessing an intermediate shape.

"Cioclovina did not meet any of these criteria - a strong refutation of the hypothesis that it represents a hybrid," Harvati says.

Single origin

The scientists support the 'single origin' model of human evolution.

This holds that modern humans evolved between 200,000 and 100,000 years ago in a single location, mostly likely Africa, with subsequent migration displacing archaic hominid populations, including Neanderthals, around the world.

The researchers, however, do not rule out that interbreeding may have taken place.

"Modern humans and Neanderthals are very closely related species, so it is possible that, like living closely related species of primates today, they could have interbred to a limited degree," she says.

"[If it occurred] it was probably a rare event and the result was not significant in evolutionary terms."

Backing

Dr Ian Tattersall, curator in the Division of Anthropology of the American Museum of Natural History in New York says he is "thoroughly in agreement" with the new study.

"The strenuous search for a Neanderthal-modern human hybrid has yet to turn up any evidence of such a thing."

Professor Eric Delson, chair of the Department of Anthropology at Lehman College, City University New York, also supports the conclusions.

"The results that Dr Harvati and colleagues obtained on the Cioclovina cranium agree well with the widespread opinion that Neanderthal-modern hybridisation was rare at best in Europe," he says.

Delson adds that, when combined with recent genetic studies that have found "indications of low to nonexistent" levels of Neanderthal genetic imprinting on modern humans, the new findings lead "us to reject widespread hybridisation and thus a major influence of Neanderthals on later human populations in Europe".


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KEYWORDS: godsgravesglyphs; human; hybrid; mikemorwood; myth; neandertal; neandertals; neanderthal; neanderthals
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To: <1/1,000,000th%

oh...beer. Now I’m thirsty.


41 posted on 12/10/2007 1:32:18 PM PST by mamelukesabre
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To: jeddavis

File under “Things that make you go Whee!!”


42 posted on 12/10/2007 1:35:00 PM PST by ahayes ("Impenetrability! That's what I say!")
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To: blam

43 posted on 12/10/2007 1:36:05 PM PST by Jeff Chandler ("Liberals want to save the world for the children they aren't having." -Mark Steyn)
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To: jeddavis

“Cro-Magnon was a type of modern man; all hominids apparently including the neanderthal were glorified apes.”

That glorified ape had more cranial capacity than a modern human and made tools.

“We are not related to any of them in any fashion.”

That may very well be true.


44 posted on 12/10/2007 1:36:06 PM PST by dangerdoc (dangerdoc (not actually dangerous any more))
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To: Coyoteman

Are there still crow-mag genes floating around in us modern sapiens then?


45 posted on 12/10/2007 1:37:04 PM PST by mamelukesabre
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To: Verginius Rufus
The difference in DNA similarity depend upon what is being compared. DNA in genes is highly conserved between lineages and there is only about a 2% difference between a human and a chimp in their genetic DNA. Genome wide there is about a 6% difference, reflecting that most DNA changes at a faster rate than genetic DNA as natural selection has not much to say about the make up of the majority of the genomes sequence.
46 posted on 12/10/2007 1:48:05 PM PST by allmendream ("A Lyger is pretty much my favorite animal."NapoleonD (Hunter 08))
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To: jeddavis

OK, that I agree with. I thought you were suggesting that modern humans appeared out of thin air (a la Creationism).

Cheers!


47 posted on 12/10/2007 1:49:40 PM PST by navyguy (Some days you are the pigeon, some days you are the statue.)
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To: humblegunner

Pingy-poo


48 posted on 12/10/2007 1:49:43 PM PST by pax_et_bonum (Always finish what you st)
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To: dangerdoc

Related to is a broader term than descended from.


49 posted on 12/10/2007 1:50:42 PM PST by js1138
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To: Verginius Rufus; Coyoteman
"There are a number of fossils that are even further removed from us than the Neanderthals, but still classed as Homo--Homo habilis, for instance. I don't think they tried to make any connection between "Java Man" (Homo caffeinatus?) and Homo florensis (or whatever they are calling the little guy)."

Mike Morwood, the archaeologist who excavated the 'Hobbits' on Flores, compared their skeletal features closely with these 1.75 million year old fellas found in the Republic Of Georgia: Stranger In A New Land (Archaeology)

I recommend Mike's book, A New Human

50 posted on 12/10/2007 2:10:30 PM PST by blam (Secure the border and enforce the law)
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To: jeddavis
We are not related to any of them in any fashion.

coulda fooled me in some cases..lol

51 posted on 12/10/2007 3:52:24 PM PST by wardaddy (subservient well trained former shrew tamer for Thompson)
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To: Coyoteman
I would be interested in the source of your claims.

A.I.G....I.C.R...emm.ohh.yoo.ess.see!!!!

52 posted on 12/10/2007 5:09:00 PM PST by RightWingNilla
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To: blam
Neandertal wouldn't be such a bone in the throat for the Britons if the first specimen had been discovered in Britain, or at least by a Briton.
The Neandertal Enigma
by James Shreeve
Frayer's own reading of the record reveals a number of overlooked traits that clearly and specifically link the Neandertals to the Cro-Magnons. One such trait is the shape of the opening of the nerve canal in the lower jaw, a spot where dentists often give a pain-blocking injection. In many Neandertal, the upper portion of the opening is covered by a broad bony ridge, a curious feature also carried by a significant number of Cro-Magnons. But none of the alleged 'ancestors of us all' fossils from Africa have it, and it is extremely rare in modern people outside Europe." [pp 126-127]

53 posted on 12/11/2007 12:32:12 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Monday, December 10, 2007____________________https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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54 posted on 12/11/2007 12:52:28 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Monday, December 10, 2007____________________https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Malone LaVeigh
Which branch of the family gets to claim him:

Waxman is descended from Orcs.

55 posted on 12/11/2007 6:09:10 AM PST by COBOL2Java (The Democrat Party: radical Islam's last hope)
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To: Savage Beast
You people had better rethink this. The Neanderthals and their hybrids are alive and well. They run the Mainstream Newsmedia. They dominate American universities. And millions of them keep the sociopaths and other assorted self-serving nutcase Democrat politicians in power.

The modern Neanderthals have been keeping shows like "Judge Judy", "The Simpsons", and "The View" going all these years...


56 posted on 12/11/2007 6:18:20 AM PST by COBOL2Java (The Democrat Party: radical Islam's last hope)
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To: mamelukesabre
Are there still crow-mag genes floating around in us modern sapiens then?

Yes, they can be found in the AM radio waves associated with "Air America" broadcasts.

57 posted on 12/11/2007 6:23:27 AM PST by COBOL2Java (The Democrat Party: radical Islam's last hope)
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To: COBOL2Java
The modern Neanderthals have been keeping shows like "Judge Judy", "The Simpsons", and "The View" going all these years...

Not to mention CNNNBCCBSABCNYTimesTimemagazineWashingtonPostLATimesTHEGUARDIANETAL, Hollywood, tenured professors, and the Democrat Party.

58 posted on 12/11/2007 8:22:22 AM PST by Savage Beast ("History is not just cruel. It is witty." ~Charles Krauthammer)
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To: Socratic

always assumed he was from the Nosferatu clan.


The resemblance is startling!


59 posted on 12/11/2007 12:01:19 PM PST by eleni121 ((+ En Touto Nika! By this sign conquer! + Constantine the Great)
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To: eleni121
Someone needs to post a picture of actor Ron Perlman —that’ll make you believe!

PJ

60 posted on 12/11/2007 12:10:35 PM PST by duckbutt ( If you let a smile be your umbrella, then most likely your butt will get soaking wet.)
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