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In Lebanon, DNA may yet heal rifts
Reuters via Yahoo ^ | 9-9-07 | Anon

Posted on 09/09/2007 8:12:40 PM PDT by Pharmboy


Lebanese geneticist Pierre Zalloua takes a saliva sample form a Lebanese
man to test his DNA in a university laboratory near Byblos ancient city in north
Lebanon, in this August 17, 2007 file photo. Zalloua following the genetic footprint
of the ancient Phoenicians says he has traced their modern-day descendants,
but stumbled into an old controversy about identity in his country. (Jamal Saidi/Files/Reuters)

A Lebanese scientist following the genetic footprint of the ancient Phoenicians says he has traced their modern-day descendants, but stumbled into an old controversy about identity in his country.

Geneticist Pierre Zalloua has charted the spread of the Phoenicians out of the eastern Mediterranean by identifying an ancient type of DNA which some Lebanese, Syrians and Palestinians share with Maltese, Spaniards and Tunisians.

A seafaring civilization which reached its zenith between 1200 and 800 BC, the Phoenicians' earliest cities included Byblos, Tyre and Sidon on Lebanon's coast.

But their link to Lebanon, whose borders were drawn as recently as 1920, has long been a subject of controversy in a country split between an array of religious communities. "Negotiating these waters is a very delicate job," Zalloua said.

Seeking to set themselves apart from their Muslim compatriots, some Lebanese Christians have drawn on the Phoenician past to try to forge an identity separate from the prevailing Arab culture.

"Whenever I use the word 'Phoenician', people say 'this guy is trying to say we are not Arabs'," said Zalloua, himself a Christian. But after five years of research, the scientist says his work has shown what Lebanese have in common. "We had a great history -- let's look at it," he said.

The genetic marker which identifies descendants of the ancient Levantines is found among members of all of Lebanon's religious communities, he said. "It's a story that can actually unite Lebanon much more than anything else."

The marker, known as the J2 haplogroup, was found in an unusually high proportion among Lebanese, Palestinians and Syrians tested by Zalloua during more than five years of research. He tested 1,000 people in the region.

FROM LEBANON TO SPAIN

"The further south you go, the less likely you are to see this marker. The further north and the further inland you go, the less you see of this marker. It is very Levantine," he said.

The same marker was found in unusually high proportions on other parts of the Mediterranean coast where the Phoenicians are known to have established colonies, such as Carthage in today's Tunisia.

"It's abundantly present in the Iberian peninsula," Zalloua added. In Malta, the ancient DNA type was found in an extremely high 30 percent of samples, he said.

"We are seeing a pattern of expansion out of the Levant area along the maritime routes the Phoenicians used," he said.

The J2 haplogroup has been dated using a calculation based on the rate at which DNA mutates. The fewer the mutations on any given type of DNA, the older it is.

"Our calculation estimates it at roughly 12,000 years old, plus or minus 5,000 years. It's an old haplogroup and we are pretty sure it originated in this area," he said.

Many Lebanese were keen to take part in the research, giving either a blood sample or a cheek swab so DNA could be extracted from their cells.

"They wanted to see if they are actually old Levantine or not. This area has been mixed through invasions. It has been a crossroads of many populations," Zalloua said.

Albert Akl, 61, took part out of curiosity about his ancestry. Tests showed he had the J2 haplogroup.

"UNIFYING FORCE"

"We belong to this area -- we are not passers-by," said Akl, an engineer. Although Phoenician history should be a source of pride for Lebanese, Akl said its importance should not be blown out of proportion in today's Lebanon.

"It carries no big meaning," said Akl, adding that he views himself as "Lebanese, Arab and Christian -- in that order."

The research has thrown up surprise results for some.

Zalloua tested his own DNA and found a type common in India and Iran. Another participant, Joseph Tabat, got an unusual result.

"I was always intrigued as to why I look different to the rest of the guys in high school," he said. "I'm a red-head with freckles." Tabat's DNA matched types found in France and Spain, perhaps a sign that one of his ancestors was a European who arrived in the Middle East during the Crusades.

"Many of the people who think they are Phoenicians are not -- like me," he said. "I'd like to see a high percentage of Lebanese going through this experience. I think it would be a unifying force and not a divisive one."


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: carthage; carthaginians; dna; genes; godsgravesglyphs; helixmakemineadouble; lebanon; phoenicia; phoenicians
Genes for peace, man...
1 posted on 09/09/2007 8:12:41 PM PDT by Pharmboy
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To: blam; SunkenCiv

Haplotype Rb1, M343 ping...


2 posted on 09/09/2007 8:17:10 PM PDT by Pharmboy ("Liberals love humanity but hate people" Dick Armey)
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To: Pharmboy

“In Lebanon, DNA may yet heal rifts
Reuters via Yahoo ^ | 9-9-07 | Anon”

Well, maybe this is just a further extension of the finding that today’s
Muslims and Christians of Lebanon are pretty much just one genetic stock.

Here’s a link to a webpage on the National Geographic/PBS special
on the topic “Quest for the Phoenicians”
(IIRC, it aired in 2004, even though that webpage says “Previews 2007”)

http://www.pbs.org/previews/phoenicians/


3 posted on 09/09/2007 8:30:29 PM PDT by VOA
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To: Pharmboy

That’s about a goofy picture, ain’t it? :-)


4 posted on 09/09/2007 8:54:23 PM PDT by pillut48 (CJ in TX --Soccer Mom, Bible Thumper and Proud to be an American! RUN, FRED, RUN!!!)
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To: Pharmboy

“All we are asking, is give genes a chaaaance...”
[runs]

;-)


5 posted on 09/09/2007 8:54:58 PM PDT by pillut48 (CJ in TX --Soccer Mom, Bible Thumper and Proud to be an American! RUN, FRED, RUN!!!)
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SERIOUSLY.... all jokes aside, this shows that not only is Islam becoming a yoke on the "believers"... but look at how hard they want to distance themselves fomr belonging to the "Great Arab People"....

and now for the humor part of my reply:

...sort of reminds me of the great line in the movie called Rossana's Grave. At the end of the movie, the middle aged Italian couple is on a train, the first leg of their vacation to New York.


Coming from a small village in Italy, the wife asks her husband:

"Is the mayor of New York still Italian?"

and he looks at her indignantly and answers:

"Why would anyone want to stop being Italian?"


So.. why would anyone want to stop being Arab? I guess there are a lot of good reasons....

6 posted on 09/10/2007 1:29:48 AM PDT by Challenge
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If they test in a Hezbo stronghold, all the SNA will be the same..


7 posted on 09/10/2007 7:30:46 AM PDT by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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8 posted on 09/10/2007 7:37:02 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Wednesday, August 29, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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9 posted on 09/10/2007 8:30:00 AM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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Click here for info on haplotype J2.
10 posted on 09/10/2007 10:02:41 AM PDT by blam (Secure the border and enforce the law)
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The Phoenecians were quite prevelent in my ancestral home town in southern Italy. Maybe I should take the test.


11 posted on 09/10/2007 10:04:01 AM PDT by Clemenza (Rudy Giuliani, like Pesto and Seattle, belongs in the scrap heap of '90s Culture)
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“I’m a red-head with freckles.”

I used to explain to my sons that we were red headed with freckles because we were Phoenicians.


12 posted on 09/10/2007 10:28:20 AM PDT by Mercat (belly rub and a biscuit. Name of a new rock band?)
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In fact, I think my son put on the 2000 census form that he was Phoenician and Mongolian. I told them that they were Mongolian because their dad has high cheek bones, that fold thingie Asians have and very straight hair. His ancestors are from Switzerland.


13 posted on 09/10/2007 10:31:08 AM PDT by Mercat (belly rub and a biscuit. Name of a new rock band?)
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LOL! That’s one gene-confused boy you’re raising...


14 posted on 09/10/2007 3:19:59 PM PDT by Pharmboy ("Liberals love humanity but hate people" Dick Armey)
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