Posted on 04/24/2007 10:22:39 AM PDT by Al Simmons
About me:
Lurker - since 1998
Member - since 1999
In self-imposed exile - since April 2007
The tone of the debate and the attacks on long-time fellow Freepers for the cardinal sin of daring to support Rudy Giuliani in early 2007 around here have really saddened me. Instead of fighting the enemy FR is now imposing an 'ideological purity' test on FR members. The well-oiled train has gone off the rails and Mr. Robinson risks becoming the next Joe Farah - a fellow who started a great website for conservative news and opinions, but who gradually drifted off to la-la land, losing all credibility - and readership - in the process.
He has set himself squarely in the Internet media spotlight, doused himself with gasoline, and and lighted himself on fire - a fact that has not escaped the attention of the left-wing lunatics at Daily Kos. Their reporting on what has been going on at FR is perhaps the first factually true account published on their site.
Jim, if that quote of yours about setting up an organization to 'Swiftboat Rudy' is accurate as quoted in their article, the only thing I have to say to you is that you ought to be ashamed of yourself, as you have now become the back-stabber of the conservative cause.
If you wish to marginalize this site by turning it into a narrow "several-issue" forum, that is your right. Just as it is my right to choose to not participate here any longer.
But you will be disappointed if you think that the crude, illiterate "goon squad" you have allowed free rein around here (dmw, narses, dirtboy, extremely extreme extremist, ReaganMan and several others - if I have slighted anyone, please email me if you want onto this list) will elevate the level of intellectual debate.
The result has been predictably in the other direction. That is what happens when you hire a bunch of brown shirts to enforce your own brand of political correctness.
Well, guess what? Politics is 99% BS and one can quite nicely live one's life without the need to bloviate about it. I know how I am going to vote. I could care less about anyone else. Life is too short to waste my time around here when I am clearly one of those made to feel like they are not welcome.
So, go ahead Jim -
MAKE MY DAY. BAN ME. I DARE YOU.
“closet lib.”
Not by a long shot. But I wouldn’t be surprised if some of y’all were, aiming to destroy what could be our strongest candidate against the Rats — and to degrade FReep discussion so it’s less attractive.
Rudy is part of the Conservative movement? First I’ve heard of it.
Thanks for your intelligent post, Dawg. These have become all too rare on the Rudy threads.
OH, the drama! (shaking head)
Rudy has destroyed himself with conservatives!!
Trust the old curmudgeon!!
Now that is truly incoherent. Rudy Toot is in no way shape or form a conservative. It stands to reason that his supporters aren’t either.
Uhhhh. #234 Copyright, maybe???
Most of the bitterness and invective that I have seen on the subject of Mr. Giuliani has come from the Rudy partisans. Much of the anti-Rudy posting has been a lot more civil and considered. How are we stabbing Conservatives in the back by opposing a thoroughgoing man of the Left?
Dude, you’re harshing my mellow!
Everyone that I don’t like is disappearing... Christmas in April?
What you didn’t know that John McCain was brought on ethics charges for allegedly raping the wife of a former POW? It was when he was in Congress. He got off on the charges by claiming that the woman was drunk and came on to him, but the woman didn’t imbibe, and still doesn’t, as far as I know. I don’t have copy of any of the articles, but I thought that it was a well known fact.
We'll miss you.
Who cares what they think? Rudy maybe?
Once the field is reduced to those who will seriously contend, the discussion should begin WITHOUT the name calling etc..
That would be a first. Discussion over every candidate since I've been here has included name calling. If you don't like it don't do it.
IMHO this looks like the DU on this thread, only the names are Guiliani, Hunter, etc..and not Hillary, Obama and Edwards..it’s times like this that I’m ashamed to be associated with FR.
Not ashamed enough to leave I take it?
They only banned him ‘cos he’s a Joo.
“if I have slighted anyone, please email me if you want onto this list”
Please add me to your list.
I’m not going anywhere..
So far, we have Giuliani, Romney, Thompson, and McCain leading. Who and where is the conservative in that batting order? On the key issue: Abortion; G, R, and T have all been outspokenly pro-choice in previous campaigns. Rudy and Romney did everything but hold the flashlight for abortions in their districts. McC hasn't spoken up against abortion on the floor of the Senate. Now, of course they are all tripping overthemselves to establish right-to-life positions, which I happen to believe they'll deliver, if selected, and then elected.
Rudy has been a gun grabber, and I don't see a concealed carry law in Massachusetts, where I understand Romney to have been the Governor. The other two guys? Who knows? They occasionally make the right noises. But, not a one of them is clean on immigration. Taxes? OK, they're OK on taxes, sort of. People were taxed to death before Romney was Governor of MA, and they still are afterwards. The WOT, Iraq? McCain owns Iraq. Rudy owns the WOT. The other two ... no firm commitment yet.
So what the heck are we talking about? If any of the following: either Rudy Giuliani, Mitt Romney, Fred Thompson, or bless'im, John McCain, puts together the campaign, the money, and the organization to win substantial victories in primary battles, and carries the convention, what are we supposed to do? Fight for your man now, with everything you've got. But after the convention, STFU, back the winner, and turn out the Republicans, that's what. Trade your support for the positions and people you want. It's the American way.
My hat's in the ring for Hunter ... but guess what ... no money ... no organization ... no media presence ... no nuthin' ... but he's one hell of a lot more demonstrably conservative (with the exception of being able to sniff out pork for the folks at home and logrolling with Democrats) than any of the chaps mentioned above.
Our two-party system is a thing painful to behold. But if somebody wants to go the "Pox on both your houses," The Peronista, or the Bull Moose route, disaster lies ahead. This ain't France, with a run-off system. BJC took the presidency with 42% of the vote. His wife, or other equally reprehensible party, is uniquely poised to do the same.
A putative Third Party? Forget it.
We might as well hand the Gore/Obama/Sharpton team (or equivalent) the keys to the White House now and save the trouble and expense of an election.
Here's what I am planning to do: Fight for my man now, with everything I've got. But after the Republican Convention, I am going to STFU, back whoever is the winner, and turn out the Republicans, that's what. Trade my support for the positions and people I want. It's the American way.
C'mon get with it, Rudie has been a conservative for several days.
B/S. Thompson has a 100% pro life record, You can drop that anti-Thompson pro-Rudy propaganda now.
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