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1 posted on 04/21/2007 6:42:27 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: Jim Robinson

Well, he’s certainly no George Bush is he?


330 posted on 04/21/2007 8:04:11 PM PDT by ShadowDancer ("To succeed in life, you need three things: a wishbone, a backbone and a funny bone.")
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To: Jim Robinson
I will never vote for Mr. Giuliani or for Mrs. Bill Clinton.
Mr. Giuliani will destroy the Republican Party if nominated.
I support Fred Thompson.
P.S I also support Jim R. It is time to clear the decks. Trolls, RINOs et al, just take up cyberspace.
339 posted on 04/21/2007 8:06:17 PM PDT by TWhiteBear
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To: Jim Robinson
I would seriously hope not. We need to elect representatives and a president who will help to restore the limits placed on the government by the Constitution. Anything less will lead us to civil war, or worse, tyranny.
360 posted on 04/21/2007 8:12:52 PM PDT by semaj (Just shoot the bastards! * Void where prohibited.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Conservative first, Republican if it is a conservative party.


361 posted on 04/21/2007 8:13:17 PM PDT by Dominick ("Freedom consists not in doing what we like, but in having the right to do what we ought." - JP II)
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To: Jim Robinson

Thank you Jim.


364 posted on 04/21/2007 8:13:46 PM PDT by fatima (Shut up Murtha)
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To: Jim Robinson
if liberalism infiltrates into the Republican party

IF?!?!?!?

372 posted on 04/21/2007 8:16:23 PM PDT by abigailsmybaby
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To: Jim Robinson
Well, I must say it's about time for a post like this. The question over whether FR is to be a conservative forum or a Republican Party tool has been festering like an untreated boil for too long. I say it's high time you lanced the boil, drained the infection (including banning people, if necessary), and renewed this site's commitment to conservatism, both fiscal and social.

A good next step would be to post a series of messages defining (in historical and philosophical terms) just what Conservatism is. For example, Russell Kirk's definition:

Conservatism is not a fixed and immutable body of dogmata; conservatives inherit from Burke a talent for re-expressing their convictions to fit the time. As a working premise, nevertheless, one can observe here that the essence of social conservatism is preservation of the ancient moral traditions of humanity. Conservatives respect the wisdom of their ancestors . . .; they are dubious of wholesale alteration. They think society is a spiritual reality, possessing an eternal life but a delicate constitution: it cannot be scrapped and recast as if it were a machine. . . .

I think that there are six canons of conservative thought--

(1) Belief in a transcendent order, or body of natural law, which rules society as well as conscience. Political problems, at bottom, are religious and moral problems. A narrow rationality . . . cannot of itself satisfy human needs. . . . True politics is the art of apprehending and applying the Justice which ought to prevail in a community of souls.

(2) Affection for the proliferating variety and mystery of human existence, as opposed to the narrowing uniformity, egalitarianism, and utilitarian aims of most radical systems; conservatives resist what Robert Graves calls "Logicalism" in society. . . .

(3) Conviction that civilized society requires orders and classes, as against the notion of a "classless society." With reason, conservatives have often been called "the party of order." If natural distinctions are effaced among men, oligarchs fill the vacuum. Ultimate equality in the judgment of God, and equality before courts of law, are recognized by conservatives; but equality of condition, they think, means equality in servitude and boredom. (4) Persuasion that freedom and property are closely linked: separate property from private possession, and Leviathan becomes master of all. Economic levelling, they maintain, is not progress.

(5) Faith in prescription and distrust of "sophisters, calculators, and economists" who would reconstruct society upon abstract desings. Custom, convention, and old prescription are checks both upon man's anarchic impulse and upon the innovator's lust for power.

(6) Recognition that change may not be salutory reform: hasty innovation may be a devouring conflagration, rather than a torch of progress. Society must alter, for prudent change is the means of social preservation; but a statesman must take Providence into his calculations, and a statesman's chief virtue, according to Plato and Burke, is prudence. . . .

In a revolutionary epoch, sometimes men taste every novelty, sicken of them all, and return to ancient principles so long disused that they seem refreshingly hearty when they are rediscovered. . . . The true conservative thinks of this process [of historical change and conflagration], which looks like chance or fate, as, rather, the providential operation of a moral law of polarity. And Burke, could he see our century, never would concede that a consumption-society, so near to suicide, is the end for which Providence has prepared man. If a conservative order is indeed to return, we ought to know the tradition which is attached to it, so that we may rebuild society; if it is not to be restored, still we ought to understand conservative ideas so that we may rake from the ashes what scorched fragments of civilization escape the conflagration of unchecked will and appetite.

The Conservative Mind, (pp. 7-9, 10) Source

Shall we compromise and define ourselves primarily by our desire to be on the winning team, or define ourselves by our principles and stick by them, win or lose? I can't speak for the rest of FR, but I choose the latter.
390 posted on 04/21/2007 8:19:14 PM PDT by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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To: Jim Robinson

“Do you really expect me to do that?”

I will never vote for rudie. I will always vote against him.


391 posted on 04/21/2007 8:20:00 PM PDT by A1 Southern Man (Fred Thompson , the one who can win.)
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“Do you really expect me to do that?”

I will never vote for rudie. I will always vote against him.


393 posted on 04/21/2007 8:20:34 PM PDT by A1 Southern Man (Fred Thompson , the one who can win.)
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JRob for Pres! We’re with you, man!


396 posted on 04/21/2007 8:21:58 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (the Prophet said, ‘If (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him.’ - HADITH Sahih Bukhari [4:52:260])
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To: SittinYonder

ping


397 posted on 04/21/2007 8:22:02 PM PDT by eyespysomething
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To: Jim Robinson
"There is only one form of government -- too much." -- T'wit's First Law.

"The state remains, as it was in the beginning, the common enemy of all well-disposed, industrious and decent men." -- H. L. Mencken.

You can't change the nature of the beast. You can't make government less socialist. You can't reform it. You can't make it work better. You can't make it work at all!

Politics cannot fix this. Politics itself is by its nature corrupt. In time, it defiles everything it touches. We never solve our problems by turning them over to politicians. That is like pouring more gasoline on the inferno.

Our goal is not to have a conservative government -- ain't no such thing. It is to make government smaller. Barry Goldwater had it exactly right: “I have little interest in streamlining government or in making it more efficient, for I mean to reduce its size." And that always boils down to the fight to reduce its taxation.

Free men have to fight with the tools of freedom. We must make the most of free markets and free institutions to solve our problems. Foremost, for ourselves, is our freedom to think, speak and publish here in Free Republic. FR is a potent voice and a potent tool for right thinking. It is like the antidote to politics.

Should Free Republic ever lower its sights and seek no more than to get some politician -- any politician -- elected, it may as well fold up shop. But I'm not worried about that day coming. We have a good shop here and always will, so long as we remember what we're trying to achieve.

403 posted on 04/21/2007 8:23:13 PM PDT by T'wit (Visitors: you come here expecting a turkey shoot, and then you find out that you are the turkey.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Rudy is not, cannot be the one.


406 posted on 04/21/2007 8:23:56 PM PDT by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: Jim Robinson

My household will not vote for Rudy! I really don’t think he will win the Republican nomination, and I pray he doesn’t! A family member sent this beautiful song to me today. Just wanted to share it with you and everyone on FR. Perhaps many of you have already heard it, but this evening was the first time for me. “In God We Still Trust”
http://gunbarrelcityradio.com/InGodWeStillTrust.wmv


423 posted on 04/21/2007 8:28:37 PM PDT by seekthetruth
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Do you really expect me to do that?

No, and me and mine won't bow down either.

424 posted on 04/21/2007 8:28:43 PM PDT by processing please hold (Duncan Hunter '08) (ROP and Open Borders-a terrorist marriage and hell's coming with them)
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“Do you really expect me to do that?”

When pigs fly, and liberals don’t lie and the oceans go dry.............nope!


429 posted on 04/21/2007 8:30:19 PM PDT by F.J. Mitchell (Cowardly terrorist mass murderers fear to tread, where an armed citizenry may shoot them dead.)
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Rudy is good only against terror. I wouldn't trust anything else around him and would really worry about his appointments to the bench.

Nam Vet

436 posted on 04/21/2007 8:31:56 PM PDT by Nam Vet ( The original point and click interface was a Smith & Wesson.)
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Don't worry, JimRob!

Fred Dalton Thompson has everything under control.

He wanted to let Rudy McRomney have a free run for awhile so that when he stepped in we'd appreciate him more.

455 posted on 04/21/2007 8:36:06 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Islam is a religion of peace, and Muslims reserve the right to kill anyone who says otherwise.)
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**Will FR embrace socialism to make way for Rudy Giuliani as a Republican presidential candidate?**

I certainly hope not.


472 posted on 04/21/2007 8:40:39 PM PDT by Salvation (" With God all things are possible. ")
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“Cuss word” NOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


489 posted on 04/21/2007 8:45:19 PM PDT by therut
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