Posted on 04/21/2007 6:42:25 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
We've got some real challenges facing us. FR was established to fight against government corruption, overstepping, and abuse and to fight for a return to the limited constitutional government as envisioned and set forth by our founding fathers in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution and other founding documents.
One of the biggest cases of government corruption, overstepping and abuse that I know of is its disgraceful headlong slide into a socialist hell. Our founders never intended for abortion to be the law of the land. And they never intended the Supreme Court to be a legislative body. They never intended God or religion to be written out of public life. They never intended government to be used to deny God's existence or for government to be used to force sexual perversions onto our society or into our children's education curriculum. They never intend for government to disarm the people. They never intended for government to set up sanctuary cities for illegals. They never intended government to “rule” over the people and or to take their earnings or private property or to deprive them of their constitutional rights to free speech, free religion, private property, due process, etc. They never intended government to seize the private property of private citizens through draconian asset forfeiture laws or laws allowing government to take private property from lawful owners to give to developers. Or to seize wealth and redistribute it to others. Or to provide government forced health insurance or government forced retirement systems.
All of the above are examples of ever expanding socialism and tyranny brought to us by liberals/liberalism.
FR fights against the liberals/Democrats in all of these areas and always will. Now if liberalism infiltrates into the Republican party and Republicans start promoting all this socialist garbage, do you think that I or FR will suddenly stop fighting against it? Do you think I'm going to bow down and accept abortionism, feminism, homosexualism, global warming, illegal alien lawbreakers, gun control, asset forfeiture, socialism, tyranny, totalitarianism, etc, etc, etc, just so some fancy New York liberal lawyer can become president from the Republican party?
Do you really expect me to do that?
Your "solution" is akin to me responding to a question about whether invading Iraq was appropriate by stating that the real solution is to move all Iraqis to a moon colony. We live in the current world, not some fantasy land. Hence our positions must be rooted in reality even as we anticipate potential long-term changes to the landscape.
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I was fighting against abortion during the 1970’s when it wasnt cool...
Abortion was considered a “Catholic issue”...
If the SBC (Southern Baptists) had joined the Catholics back then instead of ignoring appeals for help in the fight against what was, even then, a holocaust, I believe abortion would have beem outlawed...
What sane person could claim that babies should be subjected to the excruciating deaths that they suffer?...
Even David knew that unborn babies were alive in the womb from conception..Psalm 139:13-16
Go ahead, rub it in show off! ;o)
Hey Knitting!
LOL! The only thing I’m rubbing is my eyes. lol
Sure Mom, and as people dissented and dsimissed as science fiction a polio vaccine, millions died as well. See that yet?
No, especially when the heart of the matter is that you are pro-choice and the you believe a person's *right* to do what they want with their own body includes that person's right to murder.
Besides, even IF a person has some inalienable *right* to do what they want with their own body, they don't have a right to do what they want with SOMEONE else's body. That's what distinguishes abortion from organ transplant. Choosing to get an organ transplant is not the same as choosing to kill someone.
The right to her own body and decisions about what happens to it. We all should respect each other's right to our own bodies. Wouldn't you agree?
No. A person's right to do with their body as they please doesn't really exist. If you were perfectly healthy and wanted an organ transplant, no one would give it to you. Therefore your theoretical right to do what you want with your own body is stymied.
A woman's body changes drastically as a result of a full term pregnancy. A female has no right to govern those changes to her own body?
No, not at the expense of another life. And you might as well give up your ridiculous fetal transplant scenario because it it isn't even close to being a reality and so has no real place in the discussion. You are pro-abortion because you think a woman's choice and right to do what she wants takes precedent over all. You can deny it all you want but since you keep saying that, ignoring the rights of the baby, and giving the mother the right to kill that child, you are pro abortion. Until, and unless, medical technology makes your fetal transplant fantasy come true, no, the woman has no right to murder her child in the name of *choice* or *the right to do what she wants with her own body*.
Considering that you are a man and never have been nor ever will be pregnant, you are way over rating the effects of pregnancy on a woman. Has it not occurred to you that a good number of the FReepers here debating you ARE women and WE certainly don't see the *changes that occur in a woman's body as a result of pregnancy* to be an issue at all in the abortion debate? And, that is not enough to justify murder.
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Got some sleep, eh?
I am not saying that at all. I am saying that Duncan Hunter is pro life and that I am also. He seeks an end to abortions and I do too. Please understand I am not a one issue voter where a small difference in the way to get to a common goal would disbar my vote.
Far and away, all issues taken into account, I agree with Duncan Hunter.
The answer is yes to transplant.
When I was a kid in 1973 I remember asking my Catholic mother what was abortion. She just said “sshhhhh, you will understand when you get older”, like it was some big secret. While she never believed in it, I have asked her why she and MILLIONS and MILLIONS of others weren’t sitting on the steps of the SCOTUS against their decision.
You are so correct the SBC and the Catholics could have stopped it in a joint effort.
Oh, yeah? Well how do you know it won't work, smarty-pants? Answer me that, huh. What's you solution, move them to an asteroid? You ought to stop being so negative and start thinking creatively like Gallileo and I do.
Isn’t the theme of your post a good reason to explore ANY idea that would stop the deaths? I believe it is. This is why I am willing to take the heat that some have thrown at me.
Finding an avenue to stop the deaths is important to me. Finding a way to retain some form of choice is also important to me. Should I ignore one of my core principles in favor of another? Or should I seek a position of my own that reflects all my principles?
“Sure Mom, and as people dissented and dsimissed as science fiction a polio vaccine, millions died as well. See that yet?”
Nooo not so I had my first polio “injection” at age 5...
The suffering world thankfully embraced the idea that their children could be inoculated against polio..
The mother of a best friend had been a victim of polio. She was lucky and had only been left with a crippled leg..
If you knew anything about polio, you would not use such an argument...
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