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Will FR embrace socialism to make way for Rudy Giuliani as a Republican presidential candidate?
vanity | April 21, 2007 | Jim Robinson

Posted on 04/21/2007 6:42:25 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

We've got some real challenges facing us. FR was established to fight against government corruption, overstepping, and abuse and to fight for a return to the limited constitutional government as envisioned and set forth by our founding fathers in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution and other founding documents.

One of the biggest cases of government corruption, overstepping and abuse that I know of is its disgraceful headlong slide into a socialist hell. Our founders never intended for abortion to be the law of the land. And they never intended the Supreme Court to be a legislative body. They never intended God or religion to be written out of public life. They never intended government to be used to deny God's existence or for government to be used to force sexual perversions onto our society or into our children's education curriculum. They never intend for government to disarm the people. They never intended for government to set up sanctuary cities for illegals. They never intended government to “rule” over the people and or to take their earnings or private property or to deprive them of their constitutional rights to free speech, free religion, private property, due process, etc. They never intended government to seize the private property of private citizens through draconian asset forfeiture laws or laws allowing government to take private property from lawful owners to give to developers. Or to seize wealth and redistribute it to others. Or to provide government forced health insurance or government forced retirement systems.

All of the above are examples of ever expanding socialism and tyranny brought to us by liberals/liberalism.

FR fights against the liberals/Democrats in all of these areas and always will. Now if liberalism infiltrates into the Republican party and Republicans start promoting all this socialist garbage, do you think that I or FR will suddenly stop fighting against it? Do you think I'm going to bow down and accept abortionism, feminism, homosexualism, global warming, illegal alien lawbreakers, gun control, asset forfeiture, socialism, tyranny, totalitarianism, etc, etc, etc, just so some fancy New York liberal lawyer can become president from the Republican party?

Do you really expect me to do that?


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To: politicalwit

It won’t happen because there’s a conspiracy against it. ;-)


7,661 posted on 04/24/2007 3:10:03 PM PDT by Kevmo (Duncan Hunter just needs one Rudy G Campaign Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVBtPIrEleM)
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To: tarheelswamprat; Dominic Harr; Reagan Man
If you are politically conservative, and yet vote to put social liberals in charge of government, how do you expect to pay for all the liberal government programs which will inevitably ensue without violating your "politically conservative" principles? And if you put conservatives in charge, you will by definition have to deny your socially liberal companions the government programs they will demand.

Excellent point, tarheel. I think Dominic will find he can't reconcile his contradictory positions, though I'm willing to watch him try.

Your politeness does you credit, Dominic.

7,662 posted on 04/24/2007 3:11:13 PM PDT by American Quilter (You can't negotiate with people who are dedicated to your destruction.)
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To: Dominic Harr; pissant

“”’It is possible, in a few years, that folks here on FR will have a very, very different perception of Rudy. It might even be that every single prediction of gloom and doom turns out to be 100% wrong. “”’


A few months ago when I realized that we could end up with Rudy, I made an effort to warm up to him, hoping that I would find that since the years of being mayor, that he had become more reasonable.

What I came to see was that he was worst than I had realized, it wasn’t just that he isn’t conservative, it is that he really believes in many of the hard left’s positions and he is an active leader in promoting those views and implementing them into law.

It may have been pissant for instance that posted an article that showed Rudy as not just a mushy anti second amendment RHINO, but instead as an active anti-gunner politician that had a personal ambition to end gun ownership. Over the last couple of months I have learned the same about other issues such as abortion.

Now when I look at his strengths that troubled me but that I mostly admired, such as his willingness to roll over anyone to get what he wants and believes in, I realize that as President, most of that would be directed at conservatives.

JR and this thread have really knocked off some of the moss that I had accumulated, especially after our 2006 setback.

Rudy Giuliani is not just a bad conservative, he is anti-conservative.


7,663 posted on 04/24/2007 3:12:37 PM PDT by ansel12 ((America, love it ,or at least give up your home citizenship before accepting ours too.))
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7,664 posted on 04/24/2007 3:13:14 PM PDT by Sam Hill
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To: madprof98

“Complete meltdowns” are how the dross gets removed. I wouldn’t call this one. There are still scads of liberals posting here. Jim’s barely made a dent in ‘em, IMO.

Shoot, a number of them are still even posting on this thread.


7,665 posted on 04/24/2007 3:13:31 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil; Who put darkness for light, and light for darkness)
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To: SandyInSeattle

And no KITTENS. LOL


7,666 posted on 04/24/2007 3:13:44 PM PDT by pissant
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To: pissant
>>>>>But the farther you get from the big 4, the more debate within conservative circles arises.

Okay, I get your point. Reagan focused on a limited number of issues, but in the end, his successes covered a multitude of issues. There is nothing wrong with debate among conservatives and we shouldn't be limiting that debate to 4 issues. The liberals didn't limit themselves when they began their leftwing crusade back in the 1960`s. Conservatives shouldn't limit their agenda today. That plays right into the hands of liberals and Democrats. Conservatives need to be broad based and proactive.

>>>>> ..... the editorial boards of mainstream conservative publications such as the WSJ, NR, and Weekly Standard have all seemed to align with a version of Bush’s plan.

I'm not so sure those three publications are as conservative today, as they once were.

7,667 posted on 04/24/2007 3:13:50 PM PDT by Reagan Man (FUHGETTABOUTIT Rudy....... Conservatives don't vote for liberals!)
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To: Jim Robinson

One thing that surprised me was that the democrats surged left and won. The right coddled the middle on tinsel toes and broken glass and lost. It is about time that conservative principles are put back on the front burner. Someone has to move the party to the right, otherwise conservatives lose, and lose big.

Keep pushing.


7,668 posted on 04/24/2007 3:13:56 PM PDT by commonguymd
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To: dirtboy
Ain't too many members of the Class of 97 here.

It would be interesting to know how many were in the class of '97.

7,669 posted on 04/24/2007 3:14:21 PM PDT by politicalwit (Family values don't stop at the border...but Federal laws do.)
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To: Fiddlstix

MEMORIES!!!!!!!!

So, maybe I’ll write a non-opus-opusi too.

NEVER to be outdone by yours...oh, trust me. Yours was The Best!!!


7,670 posted on 04/24/2007 3:14:26 PM PDT by Brad’s Gramma (DUNCAN HUNTER FOR PRESIDENT! http://www.gohunter08.com/Home.aspx)
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To: SandyInSeattle

Semper Fi Cap :)


7,671 posted on 04/24/2007 3:15:17 PM PDT by Leatherneck_MT (Won't vote for a liberal in the democrat party, won't vote for one in the Republican party. Ever)
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To: BykrBayb

You’ve been spot on throughout this thread. Keep up the good work.


7,672 posted on 04/24/2007 3:16:13 PM PDT by Kevmo (Duncan Hunter just needs one Rudy G Campaign Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVBtPIrEleM)
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To: CharlesWayneCT; All
Please promise me that I can have the last word on this thread 3 months from now. I've already takent he liberty of composing it 3 months in advance. What's the end game?

If a real Ronald Reagan conservative with charisma doesn't come out of the woodwork in the next 10 months, we will:

A. Support Rudy in order to keep the Hildebeast out of the White House
B. Wash our cat/hair/rug on election day
C. Run a third party pro-life, anti-gun control, anti illegal immigration candidate who will pull a Ross Perot and siphon votes from the GOP nominee
D. Drown our sorrows with our friends Jack Daniels, Jim Beam and Bud Weiser as we watch Hillary give her acceptance speech
E. All of these choices stink and we are in a world of hurt right now

Choices F-Z would be welcome at this point if anybody out there has any good ideas. As Ross Perot famously said in the '92 debate "I'm all ears".

101,267 posted on 7/23/2007 2:43:08 AM EDT by Eric Blair 2084 (Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms shouldn't be a federal agency...it should be a convenience store)

7,673 posted on 04/24/2007 3:16:29 PM PDT by Eric Blair 2084 (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms shouldn't be a federal agency...it should be a convenience store.)
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To: Jim Robinson
Those who believe in abortion as a political movement are abortionists.

Thank you!

7,674 posted on 04/24/2007 3:16:31 PM PDT by Brad’s Gramma (DUNCAN HUNTER FOR PRESIDENT! http://www.gohunter08.com/Home.aspx)
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To: Bigh4u2

A) There was no such mission statement up in 1999.

B) None of this would have prepared anyone for Mr. Robinson’s uniformed and vicious attack on the Bush family and our intelligence agencies.

All of this occurred long before your time.


7,675 posted on 04/24/2007 3:16:45 PM PDT by Sam Hill
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To: merry10; dirtboy

Your tolerance to liberalism and incompetence is astounding.


7,676 posted on 04/24/2007 3:17:11 PM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: LS
visited Mosco and Boise, (plus Tacoma WA, where I heard the same thing), and talked to REPUBLICANS in both cities

I can just imagine who in Moscow you spoke to.:) Believe me they don't represent the Idaho Republican Party.

I went to their "Lincoln Day" and wondered if I might be in another world, and for sure another party. They were a bunch of University educated idiots.

You travels to Universities, thats why you heard so much crap.
7,677 posted on 04/24/2007 3:21:39 PM PDT by Delphinium
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To: Sam Hill

I hear the violins warming up now.


7,678 posted on 04/24/2007 3:23:34 PM PDT by politicalwit (Family values don't stop at the border...but Federal laws do.)
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To: Eric Blair 2084

Work as hard as you possibly can to knock him out of the primaries. Tell everyone you know that he’s totally unfit to run as a Republican. Hit them hard with the raw ugly truth. Write letters. Post articles. Join everk stop Rudy organization you can find. The RINOs have no plan “B.” If Rudy becomes the nominee, the Democrat waltzes in and we all lose. Rudy must be knocked out NOW!


7,679 posted on 04/24/2007 3:24:10 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: Sam Hill

There was something at least similar. From the wayback machine, Jan 1999.

What is our mission? Free Republic is dedicated to reversing the trend of unconstitutional government expansion and is advocating a complete restoration of our constitutional republic. Listed below are some of the issues we feel strongly about.

Basically, we believe that the Founders designed our system of government in the form of a constitutionally limited republic, with maximum freedom intended for the people and minimum government control or interference into our personal lives and business affairs.

The united states of America was intended to be a federation of sovereign states, each with its own constitution and state government. Governments at all levels — federal, state and local — were to be controlled by the people. Our Constitution explicitly restricts the power of our federal government; and our Bill of Rights guarantees that NO government may infringe upon our God given unalienable rights. This is to ensure that the real power remains close to home, with the states, the local governments and always in the hands of the people.

We the People have granted our federal government limited powers to oversee certain things, such as national defense, interstate commerce, the postal service, the coining of money, and the operation of a court system. Most other powers now in the hands of the federal government were illegally usurped from the states and from the people.

Somehow, over the years, our guiding principles of law, as set forth in the Constitution, have been eroded to the point that the federal government now has total control — leaving the states impotent and the people as captive servants to the federal government. This must be reversed if we are to survive as a free Republic and a free people.

We at Free Republic are determined to return the Constitution to its rightful place as the Supreme Law of the land as the Founders intended.

It is not necessary for everyone to hold the same views to be members of Free Republic, however, many of us do share many of the following as common beliefs and goals:

The preservation and complete restoration of our Constitution and Bill of Rights with special emphasis on the first, second, fourth, fifth, sixth, ninth and tenth amendments and, of course, our right to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness — free of government intervention.

We call for the repeal of the 17th amendment, which will reverse the independence of the Senate and reestablish the Senate as a representative of the State governments, as intended by the Founding Fathers. This arrangement was intended to be a critical check against illegal federal expansion over the States, and the people residing in the various States, and will act to return the powers not granted to the federal government, as enumerated in the Constitution, to the states.

We call for the repeal of the 16th amendment and to abolish the income tax and the IRS. Revenues to the federal government should come from excise taxes and tariffs.

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Repeal of the war and emergency powers acts and the various states of national emergencies will allow the abolishing of all unconstitutional federal law, agencies and departments. This will return us to a Federalist system of government and return many responsibilities to the States and personal rights to the citizens.

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We believe that the United States should disassociate itself from the U.N. and that the U.N. should be forced to leave the United States. Furthermore, we demand that the federal government refrain from meddling in the business and squabbles of foreign nations, unless there is an imminent threat to the people of the United States.

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7,680 posted on 04/24/2007 3:24:19 PM PDT by Kevmo (Duncan Hunter just needs one Rudy G Campaign Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVBtPIrEleM)
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