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Will FR embrace socialism to make way for Rudy Giuliani as a Republican presidential candidate?
vanity | April 21, 2007 | Jim Robinson

Posted on 04/21/2007 6:42:25 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

We've got some real challenges facing us. FR was established to fight against government corruption, overstepping, and abuse and to fight for a return to the limited constitutional government as envisioned and set forth by our founding fathers in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution and other founding documents.

One of the biggest cases of government corruption, overstepping and abuse that I know of is its disgraceful headlong slide into a socialist hell. Our founders never intended for abortion to be the law of the land. And they never intended the Supreme Court to be a legislative body. They never intended God or religion to be written out of public life. They never intended government to be used to deny God's existence or for government to be used to force sexual perversions onto our society or into our children's education curriculum. They never intend for government to disarm the people. They never intended for government to set up sanctuary cities for illegals. They never intended government to “rule” over the people and or to take their earnings or private property or to deprive them of their constitutional rights to free speech, free religion, private property, due process, etc. They never intended government to seize the private property of private citizens through draconian asset forfeiture laws or laws allowing government to take private property from lawful owners to give to developers. Or to seize wealth and redistribute it to others. Or to provide government forced health insurance or government forced retirement systems.

All of the above are examples of ever expanding socialism and tyranny brought to us by liberals/liberalism.

FR fights against the liberals/Democrats in all of these areas and always will. Now if liberalism infiltrates into the Republican party and Republicans start promoting all this socialist garbage, do you think that I or FR will suddenly stop fighting against it? Do you think I'm going to bow down and accept abortionism, feminism, homosexualism, global warming, illegal alien lawbreakers, gun control, asset forfeiture, socialism, tyranny, totalitarianism, etc, etc, etc, just so some fancy New York liberal lawyer can become president from the Republican party?

Do you really expect me to do that?


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To: justshutupandtakeit

“And some just flat out lie about them and his supporters (well anyone not willing to declare he is WORSE than the Devil actually.)”

Lies? You know that Rudy is just a cross dressing, gun grabbing, abortionist!


7,641 posted on 04/24/2007 3:00:06 PM PDT by merry10
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To: merry10

Sure. He’ll be tough on law and order.

Do you know he has illegally kept the records sealed from when he was mayor? He broke state law by providing illegals with welfare. He used public money to pay 6 $100K+ a year bodyguards to drive his mistress to the beauty parlor.


7,642 posted on 04/24/2007 3:01:02 PM PDT by Politicalmom (Better a democrat with an energized opposition than a leftist “Republican” with no opposition.)
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To: del4hope

thanks.


7,643 posted on 04/24/2007 3:01:26 PM PDT by pissant
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To: pissant

Well, of the socialist variety, yes.


7,644 posted on 04/24/2007 3:02:09 PM PDT by Maximus of Texas (On my signal, pull my finger.)
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To: merry10

Oh, and maybe you should at least know the basics on a candidate before you try to disparage him. Ever hear of Watergate? Fred Thompson was on the Republican Watergate team.


7,645 posted on 04/24/2007 3:02:15 PM PDT by Politicalmom (Better a democrat with an energized opposition than a leftist “Republican” with no opposition.)
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To: Maximus of Texas

I heard Danica patrick was a conservative. Is she OK?


7,646 posted on 04/24/2007 3:03:03 PM PDT by pissant
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To: dirtboy

I understand the situation. And to some extent I am even sympathetic.

It is certainly JimRob’s right to point his site in an anti-Giuliani direction, if he so chooses.

Though, like in 1999, it is a helluva kick in the ass to those who have contributed their hard work and time and money to build up a site that they didn’t realize would be wielded as a personal political tool by the owner.

There is also some irony in JimRob’s pledge to “Swift Boat” Giuliani. Especially since the person who supplied most of the “Swift Boating” of Kerry here at FR (my own humble self) was soon banned by him after my work was co-opted by others here.


7,647 posted on 04/24/2007 3:03:18 PM PDT by Sam Hill
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To: merry10
Because I do not see Americans willing to be bent over from sun up to sun down willing to pick strawberries and lettuce. I just don’t.

The percentage of illegal immigrants working in the domestic agriculture industry is 2%. The percentage of illegal immigrants receiving welfare benefits is 41%.

7,648 posted on 04/24/2007 3:04:05 PM PDT by garv (Conservatism in '08 www.draftnewt.org)
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To: Spiff

“Additionally, this is the first time that I’ve heard that it was “debunked” - let along “countless times”.”

Then you haven’t been paying attention.


7,649 posted on 04/24/2007 3:04:25 PM PDT by Sam Hill
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To: BykrBayb
I got it for only $15. I'm beginning to think that's not such a good strategy.

Think of it as an investment in your education... /grinnin', duckin' and runnin'

7,650 posted on 04/24/2007 3:04:35 PM PDT by tarheelswamprat (I love dialoging. It's a great way to pick up chicks! (*obscure cinema refence - all rights reserved)
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To: Kevmo

I think the class of ‘98 should have a reunion.


7,651 posted on 04/24/2007 3:06:01 PM PDT by politicalwit (Family values don't stop at the border...but Federal laws do.)
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To: Sam Hill
Then you haven’t been paying attention.

But, I have been. So, give me some links or something.

7,652 posted on 04/24/2007 3:06:30 PM PDT by Spiff (Rudy Giuliani Quote (NY Post, 1996) "Most of Clinton's policies are very similar to most of mine.")
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To: merry10
Because I do not see Americans willing to be bent over from sun up to sun down willing to pick strawberries and lettuce.

We used to, before the wages dropped to third world levels.

Do you still see Americans driving tractor/trailers for a living? Those wages are dropping, thanks to the influx of border crashers who are willing to drive for third world wages. If the trend continues, you'll be saying the same things about truck drivers that you now say about farm workers.

When will it be enough? When they come for your job?

7,653 posted on 04/24/2007 3:06:53 PM PDT by BykrBayb (Be careful what you ask for, and even more careful what you demand. Þ)
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To: pissant

Not even a pretty shrubbery? Sheesh, what a tough crowd. :-)


7,654 posted on 04/24/2007 3:07:18 PM PDT by Not A Snowbird (Some people are like slinkys, the idea of them tumbling down a flight of stairs makes you smile.)
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To: merry10

“Because I do not see Americans willing to be bent over from sun up to sun down willing to pick strawberries and lettuce. I just don’t.”

What about construction jobs. Truck driving jobs. Manufacturing jobs. Meat packing jobs.

What about THOSE jobs?

Those jobs that illegals are being paid pennies for because the cheapskate jackasses who own those companies won’t pay Americans normal wages for?

This is happening all over this country.

It’s not about berry picking anymore, it’s about ALL jobs.

It’s also not “just” about jobs anymore, it’s about the security of this Nation. So long as that border remains a leaking sieve this country is at risk.

Anyone can claim to be in favor of the WOT. Closing those borders down tight as a drum would be the first indication I have seen that they were bloody serious about it.


7,655 posted on 04/24/2007 3:07:52 PM PDT by Leatherneck_MT (Won't vote for a liberal in the democrat party, won't vote for one in the Republican party. Ever)
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To: Sam Hill

“they didn’t realize would be wielded as a personal political tool by the owner.”

Then the didn’t read this when they signed up.

“Statement by the founder of Free Republic:
In our continuing fight for freedom, for America and our constitution and against totalitarianism, socialism, tyranny, terrorism, etc., Free Republic stands firmly on the side of right, i.e., the conservative side. Believing that the best defense is a strong offense, we (myself and those whom I’m trying to attract to FR) support the strategy of taking the fight to the enemy as opposed to allowing the enemy the luxury of conducting their attacks on us at home on their terms and on their schedule...continued..”

It’s been stated since day 1 that this website was a POLITICAL site to fight liberalism...

There was nothing hidden about it.


7,656 posted on 04/24/2007 3:08:23 PM PDT by Bigh4u2 (Denial is the first requirement to be a liberal)
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To: SandyInSeattle; pissant
I tried to give the thread a shrubbery a few thousand posts back, but it didn't help.

You forgot to include the herring and a few Freepers who say "neep"...

7,657 posted on 04/24/2007 3:08:54 PM PDT by tarheelswamprat (I love dialoging. It's a great way to pick up chicks! (*obscure cinema refence - all rights reserved)
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To: pissant

Works for now.


7,658 posted on 04/24/2007 3:09:16 PM PDT by Maximus of Texas (On my signal, pull my finger.)
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To: ohioWfan
I’d say ‘complete meltdown’ sums it up pretty well.

Whatever "meltdown" took place here began when a small group of posters orchestrated a campaign to browbeat the rest of us into supporting a completely unaccepable candidate. Like their candidate, they told us the issues we care about most are the divisive concerns of a tiny minority, so we should just "Get over it!" and jump on the bandwagon with them. I've heard all of that before, many times, but I have never, ever heard it on this website, and I joined in '98.

7,659 posted on 04/24/2007 3:09:45 PM PDT by madprof98 ("moritur et ridet" - salvianus)
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To: tarheelswamprat

Money well spent. Now I know better than to blindly agree to unspecified terms. I won’t offer my vote to the RNC, to spend on whatever candidate they choose.

FReepers ~ learn from my mistake! Don’t throw your vote into the wind.


7,660 posted on 04/24/2007 3:10:00 PM PDT by BykrBayb (Be careful what you ask for, and even more careful what you demand. Þ)
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