Will FR embrace socialism to make way for Rudy Giuliani as a Republican presidential candidate?

vanity | April 21, 2007 | Jim Robinson

[Jim Robinson]

We've got some real challenges facing us. FR was established to fight against government corruption, overstepping, and abuse and to fight for a return to the limited constitutional government as envisioned and set forth by our founding fathers in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution and other founding documents.

One of the biggest cases of government corruption, overstepping and abuse that I know of is its disgraceful headlong slide into a socialist hell. Our founders never intended for abortion to be the law of the land. And they never intended the Supreme Court to be a legislative body. They never intended God or religion to be written out of public life. They never intended government to be used to deny God's existence or for government to be used to force sexual perversions onto our society or into our children's education curriculum. They never intend for government to disarm the people. They never intended for government to set up sanctuary cities for illegals. They never intended government to “rule” over the people and or to take their earnings or private property or to deprive them of their constitutional rights to free speech, free religion, private property, due process, etc. They never intended government to seize the private property of private citizens through draconian asset forfeiture laws or laws allowing government to take private property from lawful owners to give to developers. Or to seize wealth and redistribute it to others. Or to provide government forced health insurance or government forced retirement systems.

All of the above are examples of ever expanding socialism and tyranny brought to us by liberals/liberalism.

FR fights against the liberals/Democrats in all of these areas and always will. Now if liberalism infiltrates into the Republican party and Republicans start promoting all this socialist garbage, do you think that I or FR will suddenly stop fighting against it? Do you think I'm going to bow down and accept abortionism, feminism, homosexualism, global warming, illegal alien lawbreakers, gun control, asset forfeiture, socialism, tyranny, totalitarianism, etc, etc, etc, just so some fancy New York liberal lawyer can become president from the Republican party?

Do you really expect me to do that?

[perfect_rovian_storm]

Please don’t get banned. You’re one of the good people here. :)

[Elyse]

Because comparing it with Mr. Robinson’s original post, there would be reasonable particulars for banning supporters of Ron Paul and libertarians in general.

You are trying to compare apples to oranges. Jim has not set out to be a Nazi and squelch all speech that isn't Jim Robinson approved on the website. Rudy just goes against so many of the values that he couldn't possible be considered conservative. We aren't arguing whether Rudy is a Republican, we are arguing whether he is a conservative. You can be a conservative libertarian. Ron Paul is probably not going to recieve wide support here and his supporters will probably feel attacked at times so they might not be that comfortable here all the time.

But, really have you seen bands of Ron Paul supporters running all over the threads smearing other candidates, disrupting threads and insulting other posters because they have conservative beliefs? The majority of Ron Paul supporters will talk honestly about Ron Paul's views and they don't make him out to be somthing he is not. Jim is purging disruptors and promotion of liberal candidates, not stifling talk about the differences between conservative candidates.

[LowOiL]

I know that it's Spiff's purpose (and others) to get me banned for being a pro-life conservative who doesn't support Rudy. I don't know if he'll get his wish or not

I don't think you have much to worry about.. Everyone luvs ya OhioWfan. Your character stands on it's own two feet and always heads in the "right" direction.

[BigSkyFreeper]

But I would still like to have 100 more Congressman like him.

I wouldn't. If we had 100 more like him, we wouldn't have toppled Saddam's regime, and brought democracy to Iraq. Ron Paul voted against the Iraq War. The only Republican to do so.

It's tough there now, but who said war was quick or easy?

[Mo1]

Despite the fact that his record is a throwback to what America used to be.

Well I got the answer I was looking for

[ohioWfan]

Not according to Spiff. He’s doing his best to get rid of me.

[perfect_rovian_storm]

Yeah, hoorah, then we could surrender to the nearest enemy and get it over with. 100 more house members like that and it’s sharia law for all.

[Knitting A Conundrum]

You have friends here, ohioWfan. Hang in there.

[ohioWfan]

I believe you. My best back to you.

And I know you will keep PRAYING for this election that the person of God's choosing will emerge and win.

May God have mercy on this nation!

[calcowgirl]

He supports the president’s policy in Iraq. He is unafraid of the UN. He places our national interest ahead of silly moralistic hand-wringing.

Is that how Rudy described himself, a "foreign policy conservative," or something that you surmised? I'm only asking because I haven't seen any substantive comments from him on anything other than Iraq withdrawal and "rebuild" effort. Did he describe his foreign policy as you have, or is that your interpretation of something he said/wrote?

[ohioWfan]

Everyone clearly does NOT love me, LowOil, but I do appreciate the encouragement. :)

[stephenjohnbanker]

Best tagline at FR : )

[ellery]

Problem is, guys like Hunter or Thompson have little to chance of winning states like New York, Connecticut, Oregon, Washington, New Jersey, etc.

How do you know?

Guiliani wins all of our solid Red states and makes us quite competitive in more than a few blue states.

How? Set aside transient polls for a moment and look at the fundamentals: We know he will lose a significant number of votes from two major GOP constituencies (social conservatives and libertarian conservatives). Where does he get the votes to make up for those he loses, plus some more to put him over the top?

[politicalwit]

Oppps...one of those bald “old timer” moments.

[VictoryGal]

And you... hugs, my FRiend!

[Luke21]

I don’t know why my buddy Spiff would be fighting with you. He’s a big anti-Giuliani guy. That’s basically his battle, as it is mine.

If you are a pro-life, anti-Giuliani, Christian conservative, your pedigree is the same as mine, only guns is my paramount issue, instead of abortion, which I don’t fight much over, because we usually lose the argument.

[Delphinium]

I know that it's Spiff's purpose (and others) to get me banned for being a pro-life conservative who doesn't support Rudy. I don't know if he'll get his wish or not............but at this point, I'm not sure it matters......

Come on, no one wants you banned.

I don't think Jim wants anyone banned, but is sick of people lying about good conservatives to promote a liberal like Rudy.

This is a very serious time in the Republican party, and Jim understands what a man like Rudy would do to our nation and to destroy the "conservative movement.

Sorry some of your friends got banned, or more like suspended. They'll probably be back.

[fatima]

Wrong,it will not be locked or pulled and it won’t set records cause most against the beginning thread will shut up or not be around.

[La Enchiladita]

LOL, I thought it was Perot who got in trouble for “you people.”

I’m only 50 minutes behind now, almost “caught up”...:)

[ohioWfan]

Thank you, Knitting! I know that you share my burden to pray for this election.

And while we're at it, we need to pray for this forum. It will accomplish nothing, and the reasoned voices will be stilled if this kind of thread is indicative of the future......