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Will FR embrace socialism to make way for Rudy Giuliani as a Republican presidential candidate?
vanity | April 21, 2007 | Jim Robinson

Posted on 04/21/2007 6:42:25 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

We've got some real challenges facing us. FR was established to fight against government corruption, overstepping, and abuse and to fight for a return to the limited constitutional government as envisioned and set forth by our founding fathers in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution and other founding documents.

One of the biggest cases of government corruption, overstepping and abuse that I know of is its disgraceful headlong slide into a socialist hell. Our founders never intended for abortion to be the law of the land. And they never intended the Supreme Court to be a legislative body. They never intended God or religion to be written out of public life. They never intended government to be used to deny God's existence or for government to be used to force sexual perversions onto our society or into our children's education curriculum. They never intend for government to disarm the people. They never intended for government to set up sanctuary cities for illegals. They never intended government to “rule” over the people and or to take their earnings or private property or to deprive them of their constitutional rights to free speech, free religion, private property, due process, etc. They never intended government to seize the private property of private citizens through draconian asset forfeiture laws or laws allowing government to take private property from lawful owners to give to developers. Or to seize wealth and redistribute it to others. Or to provide government forced health insurance or government forced retirement systems.

All of the above are examples of ever expanding socialism and tyranny brought to us by liberals/liberalism.

FR fights against the liberals/Democrats in all of these areas and always will. Now if liberalism infiltrates into the Republican party and Republicans start promoting all this socialist garbage, do you think that I or FR will suddenly stop fighting against it? Do you think I'm going to bow down and accept abortionism, feminism, homosexualism, global warming, illegal alien lawbreakers, gun control, asset forfeiture, socialism, tyranny, totalitarianism, etc, etc, etc, just so some fancy New York liberal lawyer can become president from the Republican party?

Do you really expect me to do that?


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To: flashbunny

don’t think it will be one of the dim leaders. I think it’s becoming clear that hillaries negatives are too high and the electorate won’t go for a lightweight like Obama.
Look for Gore to step in later this summer. “for the good of the party”. He will be able to unify the moonbat wing and the rank and file....the whole dim party . Plus Hollywood loves him quick cash would be no problem. Also there will be no Nader. Remember he already won the popularl vote acting like like a 2nd grade teacher. I watched 10 minutes of his movie last nite and though I disagree with it I was impressed how warm and polished he came off. His hollywood handlers were worth every penny. He’s a LOT BETTER then he was in 2000.
He’s gonna be really tough to beat. I’m not sure Rudy...Thompson..or Romney can beat him. As for the rest of the Repub nominees....forgetaboutit.

I like all three of our guys.

What worries me about Romney is that he’s too slick by a half but I’m open.....

What worries me about Thompson (if he runs} does he have the fire to take on Gore? Also does he have the temperament to take on his own party? I worry that he could be another W. Say all the right things but be too much of a “good ol boy” and not be enough of a an asskicker to really slap around his former senate colleagues regarding earmarks...entitlement reform...tax reform...energy policy...the border...tort reform all the things that W with all three branches of government failed miserably on.
Though I’m also open.

Rudy does have that temperament. He slapped around the establishment in NYCity and it’s in his nature to do it again in Washington. I’m not worried about Rudy on the border the chaos down there should inflame his law and order sensibilities and I think he would clamp down. Currently he is the only one talking about are insane tax code and considering a flat tax....wonderful. He also brings up vouchers...great. He also talks about drilling in the gulf when all the other pols are worring about losing FLA...more great

That leaves guns and abortion that is judges. Rudy knows that to accomplish cleaning up our fiscal mess and waging war on our Islamic enemies not to mention holding off the dims and the MSM he will need the base including the socons firmly in his camp. I would expect him to give on those....

If he tried to pull something like nominating a Souter it would ignite a firestorm that would make the Miers pick look like nothing. He is not stupid enough to take on his own base when his plate will already be full

I’ve been spaming this for a whole...and guess what is on Drudge today...damn I’m good.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/04/22/wgore22.xml


3,781 posted on 04/22/2007 8:21:09 PM PDT by Blackirish
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To: trussell
Thank you.

Hubby's .45 is a Springfield. Can't wait to shoot it. My fav is my .303 lee-enfield. I keep my little .22 five shot mini in my desk drawer.

I haven't fired a 9mm. Much recoil?

3,782 posted on 04/22/2007 8:21:55 PM PDT by processing please hold (Duncan Hunter '08) (ROP and Open Borders-a terrorist marriage and hell's coming with them)
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To: ABG(anybody but Gore)

“Ronald Reagan’s 11th Commandment”

Reagan never met left wing liberal, Rudy.


3,783 posted on 04/22/2007 8:22:07 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker ( Hunter/Thompson/Thompson/Hunter in 08! Or Rudy/Hillary if you want to murder conservatism)
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To: mkjessup

Are you Reagan Embarrassment with a bouncin’ IP?


3,784 posted on 04/22/2007 8:22:38 PM PDT by 68 grunt (3/1 India, 3rd, 68-69, 0311)
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To: flashbunny

Can I sue you to get the 90 seconds of my life that I just spent reading a Village Voice article back? Do you understand how angry I am? You made me read the Village Voice. The Village Voice!

It wouldn’t be worth the attorney fees to get even:-). I’ll get you back by asking you to read this fascinating article since you are a big fan of vintage Rudy news:

PS 151 Newsletter. October 2, 1956: Rudy Giuliani, a 6th grader in Ms. Crabtree’s homeroom was seen picking his nose and fidgeting during the Pledge of Allegiance, it was reported today. Asked why, the 12 year old juvenile delinquent Rudy was quoted as saying “I dunno, I had a booger in my nose and I tried to get it out, and next thing you know it’s 41 years later and people on FR are writing about it.”


3,785 posted on 04/22/2007 8:22:43 PM PDT by Eric Blair 2084 (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms shouldn't be a federal agency...it should be a convenience store.)
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To: streetpreacher
Well, we know who could play Fred Thompson in a movie

There's only one man for the job: Fred Thompson!!!

Hey, he's done it before.

With Fred Thompson, he'll be president AND he'll play one on TV.

3,786 posted on 04/22/2007 8:22:48 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: ABG(anybody but Gore)

Why are you screaming at him for providing a list to someone else?


3,787 posted on 04/22/2007 8:23:14 PM PDT by Politicalmom (Better a democrat with an energized opposition than a leftist “Republican” with no opposition.)
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To: stephenjohnbanker
Reagan never met left wing liberal, Rudy.


3,788 posted on 04/22/2007 8:24:08 PM PDT by Registered (Politics is the art of the possible)
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To: cicero's_son

YOU are nuts. He isn’t taking any big gun states. Wait until the gun rights groups come out against him.


3,789 posted on 04/22/2007 8:24:53 PM PDT by Politicalmom (Better a democrat with an energized opposition than a leftist “Republican” with no opposition.)
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To: Dstorm

To paraphrase John Pierpont Morgan:

“if you have to ask...”


3,790 posted on 04/22/2007 8:24:53 PM PDT by cicero's_son (Vote Rudy! Annoy a wingnut.)
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To: VictoryGal

Sorry to hear that VG. I envy you your strength.
Blessings for you!


3,791 posted on 04/22/2007 8:25:00 PM PDT by trussell
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To: Blackirish

“That leaves guns and abortion that is judges. Rudy knows that to accomplish cleaning up our fiscal mess and waging war on our Islamic enemies not to mention holding off the dims and the MSM he will need the base including the socons firmly in his camp. I would expect him to give on those....”

Rudy is a left wing j-off POS!


3,792 posted on 04/22/2007 8:25:18 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker ( Hunter/Thompson/Thompson/Hunter in 08! Or Rudy/Hillary if you want to murder conservatism)
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To: SittinYonder; mkjessup

I agree about the noob theory. There’ve been a number of them banned recently and just cause someone initially appears conservative, doesn’t mean they’re not a troll.


3,793 posted on 04/22/2007 8:25:25 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: 68 grunt
with a bouncin’ IP?

Maybe he's on dial-up. Wouldn't that cause it?

3,794 posted on 04/22/2007 8:25:37 PM PDT by processing please hold (Duncan Hunter '08) (ROP and Open Borders-a terrorist marriage and hell's coming with them)
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To: Politicalmom

Right.

Because Indiana, Ohio, Kentucky, Missouri, Iowa, Nebraska, and Kansas would go to Hillary.

LOL.


3,795 posted on 04/22/2007 8:26:12 PM PDT by cicero's_son (Vote Rudy! Annoy a wingnut.)
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To: CharlesWayneCT; flashbunny; metmom

One last thought for the evening.
Worst case scenario is President Roody with a dim majority House and Senate.


3,796 posted on 04/22/2007 8:26:18 PM PDT by dynachrome ("Where am I? Where am I going? Why am I in a handbasket?")
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To: 68 grunt
Not surprised at your preemptive sliming of FT.

Just stating simple facts, troll.

3,797 posted on 04/22/2007 8:26:34 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Laws that infringe on unalienable rights are not laws at all...they are in fact lawless edicts.)
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To: rbmillerjr
Me too. If you support abortion, restricting guns,open borders, special rights for gays, no experience on foreign and military matters...he is very appealing to these types.

A lot of people in this country do not make decisions at the voting booth based on where candidates stand on the issues.

For those people, Rudy is a good candidate. In the aftermath of 9/11, Rudy looked like a man's man, a real hero and a real leader.

He's got a reputation as a tough prosecutor and the mayor who cleaned up New York.

For many voters in this country, they'll never get to know him much better than that before they cast a vote for him.

I'm not saying that wins him the nomination, but when you look at it from the perspective of people who don't pay a whole lot of attention, you understand why he's ahead in the polls. And for some Republicans, what is most important is winning, the issues come second.

It's early in the game. Giuliani is in a position to capitalize on all this right now, but I doubt very seriously that the closer this gets to the primaries Giuliani actually makes it as the nominee.

3,798 posted on 04/22/2007 8:26:34 PM PDT by SittinYonder (Ic þæt gehate, þæt ic heonon nelle fleon fotes trym, ac wille furðor gan)
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To: cicero's_son
Giuliani's poll numbers are stagnant, he has essentially the same level of support now as he had in the Fall of '06. His level of support at this point in the campaign is closer to where Elizabeth Dole was in 1999 than Bush. The Republican base has not embraced Giuliani, as a matter of fact they haven't embraced anyone which is why things are ripe for a new entrant that can coalesce support.

Just out of curiosity, when you refer to the "wingnut caucus" are you referring to FR's owner and the 92% of members that don't support Giuliani or some other group?

3,799 posted on 04/22/2007 8:27:10 PM PDT by garv (Conservatism in '08 www.draftnewt.org)
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To: KATIE-O

Gosh KATIE-O.


3,800 posted on 04/22/2007 8:27:12 PM PDT by fatima (Shut up Murtha)
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