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Will FR embrace socialism to make way for Rudy Giuliani as a Republican presidential candidate?
vanity | April 21, 2007 | Jim Robinson

Posted on 04/21/2007 6:42:25 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

We've got some real challenges facing us. FR was established to fight against government corruption, overstepping, and abuse and to fight for a return to the limited constitutional government as envisioned and set forth by our founding fathers in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution and other founding documents.

One of the biggest cases of government corruption, overstepping and abuse that I know of is its disgraceful headlong slide into a socialist hell. Our founders never intended for abortion to be the law of the land. And they never intended the Supreme Court to be a legislative body. They never intended God or religion to be written out of public life. They never intended government to be used to deny God's existence or for government to be used to force sexual perversions onto our society or into our children's education curriculum. They never intend for government to disarm the people. They never intended for government to set up sanctuary cities for illegals. They never intended government to “rule” over the people and or to take their earnings or private property or to deprive them of their constitutional rights to free speech, free religion, private property, due process, etc. They never intended government to seize the private property of private citizens through draconian asset forfeiture laws or laws allowing government to take private property from lawful owners to give to developers. Or to seize wealth and redistribute it to others. Or to provide government forced health insurance or government forced retirement systems.

All of the above are examples of ever expanding socialism and tyranny brought to us by liberals/liberalism.

FR fights against the liberals/Democrats in all of these areas and always will. Now if liberalism infiltrates into the Republican party and Republicans start promoting all this socialist garbage, do you think that I or FR will suddenly stop fighting against it? Do you think I'm going to bow down and accept abortionism, feminism, homosexualism, global warming, illegal alien lawbreakers, gun control, asset forfeiture, socialism, tyranny, totalitarianism, etc, etc, etc, just so some fancy New York liberal lawyer can become president from the Republican party?

Do you really expect me to do that?


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To: dirtboy
>> OK, OK, you can be Darth Yellowcab, then.

Now, c'mon, THINK. Sound it out. I am TAXI VADER.

:-)

17,921 posted on 05/02/2007 9:54:42 AM PDT by T'wit (Visitors: you come here expecting a turkey shoot, and then you find out that you are the turkey.)
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To: Kevmo; dirtboy
Excellent metaphor, Delphinium.

Actually that childrens story came from dirtboy. I want the book for my grandchildren.
17,922 posted on 05/02/2007 9:56:12 AM PDT by Delphinium
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To: dirtboy
Owl be seeing you in owl the old familiar places...
17,923 posted on 05/02/2007 9:59:56 AM PDT by T'wit (Visitors: you come here expecting a turkey shoot, and then you find out that you are the turkey.)
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To: T'wit

Ugh.


17,924 posted on 05/02/2007 10:01:24 AM PDT by dirtboy (JimRob's 12th Commandment: Thou shall not trash actual pubbies on FR to pimp false pubbies)
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To: metmom

That was my impression as well.


17,925 posted on 05/02/2007 10:02:50 AM PDT by Kevmo (Duncan Hunter just needs one Rudy G Campaign Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVBtPIrEleM)
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To: Kevmo; dirtboy
Excellent metaphor, Delphinium.

Actually that childrens story came from dirtboy. I want the book for my grandchildren.
17,926 posted on 05/02/2007 10:05:52 AM PDT by Delphinium
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To: Kevmo; Alamo-Girl; T'wit; hosepipe
I read one post that said a bunch of evos were leaving FR and the guy pointed out that very few people noticed because they spent so much time on those threads and nowhere else that they didn’t contribute much to the conservative cause.

My impression is that most of those people are Libertarian, which as you know is not the same thing as Conservative. They see themselves (I gather) as the "children of the Enlightenment"; many are very liberal on social issues (gay rights, abortion, infanticide, "death with dignity," etc., etc.).

And of course, a big part of the conventional Enlightenment schtick is the denigration of God and religious experience as illusionary. They prefer the model of a "clockwork universe" that has no need of God. When you suggest to these people that the federal Constitution has roots in Judeo-Christianity, they absolutely, vociferously deny it.

Still, I miss a whole lot of those people: They were great fun to argue with.

Thank you so much, Kevmo, for plugging our book! In all likelihood, it would not have been possible to write it without the "source material" that our dear departed Evo friends unstintingly provided on a daily basis when they were still here....

17,927 posted on 05/02/2007 10:09:46 AM PDT by betty boop ("Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." -- A. Einstein.)
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To: betty boop
In all likelihood, it would not have been possible to write it without the "source material" that our dear departed Evo friends unstintingly provided on a daily basis when they were still here....

So very true. The personality of a main character in the dialogue was a cross-section of our correspondents' personalities. I suspect many of them would have seen that along with some of their best arguments.

Still, I miss a whole lot of those people: They were great fun to argue with.

Sigh, me too.

17,928 posted on 05/02/2007 10:14:02 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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17,929 posted on 05/02/2007 10:21:43 AM PDT by rbmillerjr ("...to arms...")
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To: afnamvet; T'wit; Reagan Man; EternalVigilance; dirtboy
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17,930 posted on 05/02/2007 10:42:19 AM PDT by mkjessup (Jan 20, 2009 - "We Don't Know. Where Rudy Went. Just Glad He's Not. The President. Burma Shave.")
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To: mkjessup

LOL!!


17,931 posted on 05/02/2007 10:44:19 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker ( Hunter/Thompson/Thompson/Hunter in 08! Or Rudy/Hillary if you want to murder conservatism)
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To: T'wit; Coyoteman

He’s the Nigel Barley of the new century doing some anthropological fieldwork.

Cheers,

Another Twit.


17,932 posted on 05/02/2007 10:45:20 AM PDT by Eurotwit (WI - CSC)
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To: betty boop
>They were great fun to argue with

M: ...An argument isn't just contradiction.

A: It can be.

M: No it can't. An argument is a connected series of statements intended to establish a proposition.

A: No it isn't.

M: Yes it is! It's not just contradiction.

A: Look, if I argue with you, I must take up a contrary position.

M: Yes, but that's not just saying 'No it isn't.'

A: Yes it is!

M: No it isn't! ...

The Argument Sketch

17,933 posted on 05/02/2007 10:47:58 AM PDT by theFIRMbss
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To: RobFromGa
"do you disagree with 17,824? do you think we are going to bludgeon voters into agreeing with our conservative principles? how do you propose to start the discussion with the moderate voters?"

Of course it takes a lot of patience (though I don't always have it but admire those who do), knowledge and persistence to win over such voters. Nastiness is not a winning strategy. That is a no brainer.

There are times however, when firmness, strength and the passion of one convictions, however, do work. Such tactics, appropriately used, yield clarity and a sense of purpose.

I have to laugh though, when people, particularly in debates opposing conservatives (and I do not mean you), get all self righteous and make the point you made and yet are as nasty as they accuse conservatives of being. At least the conservatives are honest in admitting their meanspiritedness is a tactic they use strategically.

Some of the meanest posters on this and other boards hate Ann Coulter because they believe she is mean, and gives conservatives a bad name, when daily, month after month, year after year, they post comments which are far nastier than anything Ann has ever said or done.

17,934 posted on 05/02/2007 10:48:41 AM PDT by TAdams8591
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To: yellowdoghunter

I don’t do so well with potted plants. But if I plant it in the yard, it grows. I transplanted a weed I found growing up the side of the house. It’s now a beautiful shade tree in the front yard. I don’t know what it is. I call it the lady bug tree, because they gather in its bark in late Fall. Sometimes they completely cover the trunk.

I only feed the wildlife during bad weather, when it’s difficult for them to find food. We have enough fruit and nuts to keep them happy the rest of the time. I don’t mind them eating the blackberries, plums, walnuts, blueberries, etc. That’s what I have them for. I can buy better ones for us from the farmer down the road. And I grow enough stuff, they usually leave some for us.

Thank you for the prayers. They’ve been very helpful.


17,935 posted on 05/02/2007 10:51:53 AM PDT by BykrBayb (On to victory! Þ)
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To: dirtboy; Kevmo
Had to be it: "Owls in the Family," by Farley Mowat. This is not about Archie and Meathead. It is about Wol the Owl and Weeps the other owl. You can remember the name Wol the Owl because the letters in 0-w-l can spell W-o-l. Here is a very fine review:

"If you're new to the writings of Farley Mowat, this book is a great place to start. You will love it. If you have kids, THEY will love it. Wol and Weeps, the two feathered protagonists, are two of the most lovable pets you'll ever read about in print. Wol especially steals the show when it comes to dealing with crows, dogs, skunks, and a really mean French teacher called Fifi."

By now, Fifi has probably had her FR account suspended and has moved to the other side of the tracks.

17,936 posted on 05/02/2007 10:55:32 AM PDT by T'wit (Visitors: you come here expecting a turkey shoot, and then you find out that you are the turkey.)
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To: metmom

What can I say. Some taglines just write themselves.


17,937 posted on 05/02/2007 10:56:00 AM PDT by don-o (We are "THEY")
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To: yellowdoghunter

It seems there are a lot of us who share your experience with the harpies. This fresh air is wonderful, isn’t it?


17,938 posted on 05/02/2007 10:59:30 AM PDT by BykrBayb (On to victory! Þ)
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To: Petronski

Perhaps you should have been less eager at the start of the thread?


17,939 posted on 05/02/2007 10:59:32 AM PDT by Eurotwit (WI - CSC)
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To: dirtboy

Can I be Darth Bayb, with bagels on my ears?


17,940 posted on 05/02/2007 11:04:57 AM PDT by BykrBayb (On to victory! Þ)
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