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Will FR embrace socialism to make way for Rudy Giuliani as a Republican presidential candidate?
vanity | April 21, 2007 | Jim Robinson

Posted on 04/21/2007 6:42:25 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

We've got some real challenges facing us. FR was established to fight against government corruption, overstepping, and abuse and to fight for a return to the limited constitutional government as envisioned and set forth by our founding fathers in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution and other founding documents.

One of the biggest cases of government corruption, overstepping and abuse that I know of is its disgraceful headlong slide into a socialist hell. Our founders never intended for abortion to be the law of the land. And they never intended the Supreme Court to be a legislative body. They never intended God or religion to be written out of public life. They never intended government to be used to deny God's existence or for government to be used to force sexual perversions onto our society or into our children's education curriculum. They never intend for government to disarm the people. They never intended for government to set up sanctuary cities for illegals. They never intended government to “rule” over the people and or to take their earnings or private property or to deprive them of their constitutional rights to free speech, free religion, private property, due process, etc. They never intended government to seize the private property of private citizens through draconian asset forfeiture laws or laws allowing government to take private property from lawful owners to give to developers. Or to seize wealth and redistribute it to others. Or to provide government forced health insurance or government forced retirement systems.

All of the above are examples of ever expanding socialism and tyranny brought to us by liberals/liberalism.

FR fights against the liberals/Democrats in all of these areas and always will. Now if liberalism infiltrates into the Republican party and Republicans start promoting all this socialist garbage, do you think that I or FR will suddenly stop fighting against it? Do you think I'm going to bow down and accept abortionism, feminism, homosexualism, global warming, illegal alien lawbreakers, gun control, asset forfeiture, socialism, tyranny, totalitarianism, etc, etc, etc, just so some fancy New York liberal lawyer can become president from the Republican party?

Do you really expect me to do that?


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To: wagglebee

Evidently the WTC, being a privately owned building and all, had their own terrorism security expert to help them formulate a plan - does the name John O’Neill ring a bell?


15,101 posted on 04/29/2007 2:31:48 PM PDT by IrishRainy (I used to NEVER finish anything, but now I)
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To: IrishRainy

O’Neill had been working at the WTC for only a few days when he was killed in the attack. And as you pointed out, he was hired by the owner. The bottom line is that Rudy DID NOTHING.


15,102 posted on 04/29/2007 2:36:35 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: NautiNurse; Dog Gone; rockrr

Sure sounded like a threat to me


15,103 posted on 04/29/2007 2:36:43 PM PDT by Mo1 ( http://www.gohunter08.com)
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To: Sam Cree

From the front page

Statement by the founder of Free Republic:
In our continuing fight for freedom, for America and our constitution and against totalitarianism, socialism, tyranny, terrorism, etc., Free Republic stands firmly on the side of right, i.e., the conservative side. Believing that the best defense is a strong offense, we (myself and those whom I’m trying to attract to FR) support the strategy of taking the fight to the enemy as opposed to allowing the enemy the luxury of conducting their attacks on us at home on their terms and on their schedule...

continued here.

....

As a conservative site, Free Republic is pro-God, pro-life, pro-family, pro-Constitution, pro-Bill of Rights, pro-gun, pro-limited government, pro-private property rights, pro-limited taxes, pro-capitalism, pro-national defense, pro-freedom, and-pro America. We oppose all forms of liberalism, socialism, fascism, pacifism, totalitarianism, anarchism, government enforced atheism, abortionism, feminism, homosexualism, racism, wacko environmentalism, judicial activism, etc. We also oppose the United Nations or any other world government body that may attempt to impose its will or rule over our sovereign nation and sovereign people. We believe in defending our borders, our constitution and our national sovereignty.

....


15,104 posted on 04/29/2007 2:37:06 PM PDT by Kevmo (Duncan Hunter just needs one Rudy G Campaign Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVBtPIrEleM)
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To: Kevmo; Lando Lincoln
...in the middle of a battle he tells one side to lay down their arms but not the other side.

You must be onto something. I think you've nearly got him where you want him. Let's not stop there. Find out if Lando went to church today or if he wrote anything down on paper that others might have even glanced. He might have stated something that completely contrasts anything he's ever said on this site. And we must know just what he is thinking!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!(huff, huff)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!(gotta get myself back to the gym)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!(just.a.few. more... for effect...)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!(and one more oughta do it)!

15,105 posted on 04/29/2007 2:38:11 PM PDT by new cruelty
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To: MrEdd
Oh the inconvenience. You went from not possible to inconvenient. I am okay with inconvenient.

When you start trying to make any sense .. get back to me

Oh and not very good on the baiting

15,106 posted on 04/29/2007 2:38:43 PM PDT by Mo1 ( http://www.gohunter08.com)
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To: Sam Cree

It looks to me as if this entire fracas is about social conservatism vs the other strains of it.
***I agree. But socon conservatism is fine with others coming on board & joining in, that’s why FR became such a great place. If someone crosses that line where they disagree with the founding principles, they have no further than themselves to look for the blame regarding all the pain that gets caused.


15,107 posted on 04/29/2007 2:39:06 PM PDT by Kevmo (Duncan Hunter just needs one Rudy G Campaign Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVBtPIrEleM)
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To: si tacuissem

LOL. I meant it.


15,108 posted on 04/29/2007 2:39:44 PM PDT by new cruelty
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
If so, then your grasp of analogy is no firmer than the one you hold, re: grammar and punctuation. Spending money at any given privately-owned operation or locale does not carry with it the right, implicit or otherwise, to ignore (much less supercede) the rules of said establishment. You cannot walk into a movie theater, and -- because you paid to get in -- stage a noisy, drunken party in the center of the lobby. Admission to any city's art museum doesn't grant the paying patron the "right" to scrawl on the walls, or conduct an impromptu indoor game of softball. A basic understanding, re: the sanctity of private property, is a baseline tenet of conservatism, and always has been. Period, end of sentence, full stop.

Thanks for being such an ass. Movie theaters and FR do not exist without "other peoples money"......let me know when you can fund FR on your own......

15,109 posted on 04/29/2007 2:40:50 PM PDT by ScreamingFist (Annihilation - The result of underestimating your enemies. NRA)
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To: Mo1
I can't speak for others .. you'll have to ask them to speak for themselves and their reasons.

Oh, wait...

Touche!

15,110 posted on 04/29/2007 2:41:21 PM PDT by IrishRainy (I used to NEVER finish anything, but now I)
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To: DCPatriot

((DCPatriot))


15,111 posted on 04/29/2007 2:41:40 PM PDT by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: Kevmo; Luke21
You know Kevmo...I just realized something.

We've both been here NINE YEARS...and I have never replied to you...have never heard of you...NEVER even seen your moniker in the forum

What's up with that? What type of threads do you haunt?

I could stand in front of everyone in here like an AA meeting and proclaim.

"I'M DCPATRIOT! AND I'M A FREEAHOLIC!"

If one of us deserves suspicion it's you.

Cheers!

15,112 posted on 04/29/2007 2:41:46 PM PDT by DCPatriot ("It aint what you don't know that kills you. It's what you know that aint so" Theodore Sturgeon))
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To: Kevmo
I can see in my mind's eye some of the recently departed Giuliani groupies reading the statement of purpose penned by Jim Robinson and saying, "Aw, man! He really can't MEAN that, can he?"

Apparently, he can.

15,113 posted on 04/29/2007 2:42:06 PM PDT by JCEccles
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To: Sam Cree; Jim Robinson

You make some good points, especially if FR is meant primarily for social conservatives. ... This may sound kind of uninformed on my part, but I hadn’t really picked up on the fact that FR is strictly a socon site, I’d figured it for just “con” up until this week, though I’d certainly noted early on that libertarian thought is met with scorn by many freepers.
***Sam, I’m pinging JimRob not because I want to get you in trouble, but to ask him to put that socon stuff prominently on the front page of the website rather than as a click-through. People like you have been here for 5 years and didn’t realize they were on a socon site. I’ve run into some people that cross the line & denigrate social conservatism and nothing happens to them because socons want to play nice, but eventually enough is enough. It should really be clear on the front page, that might help to avoid some conflagrations in the future.


15,114 posted on 04/29/2007 2:42:43 PM PDT by Kevmo (Duncan Hunter just needs one Rudy G Campaign Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVBtPIrEleM)
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To: Mo1

OMG! Are you kidding?! As I said elsewhere, I have no control over how you interpret what I say, but if you feeeeeel that I am threatening (As opposed to offering some FRiendly advice) then hit the abuse button and let the Mods sort it out.

The Mods will see that there is nothing threatening in either what I said or how I said it...viewed either individually, or as a part of my posting history.

Go for it...


15,115 posted on 04/29/2007 2:43:14 PM PDT by rockrr (Never argue with a man who buys ammo in bulk...)
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To: wagglebee

I think most of them are so delusional that they actually believe they are conservatives and they are genuinely confused about why real conservatives aren’t in agreement with them.
***Kinda like what rudy’s mother said about him: “He thinks he’s conservative, but he isn’t.”


15,116 posted on 04/29/2007 2:45:21 PM PDT by Kevmo (Duncan Hunter just needs one Rudy G Campaign Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVBtPIrEleM)
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To: Mo1
Sure sounded like a threat to me.

To me, as well. And it's definitely not the first time things like that have been mentioned on this thread.

Sadly, Free Republic is not so free anymore.

15,117 posted on 04/29/2007 2:46:56 PM PDT by IrishRainy (I used to NEVER finish anything, but now I)
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To: Dog Gone

If the forum wants to ban the supporters of the GOP frontfunner, well, that’s a watershed event.
***That isn’t what’s going on here. It is a cleanout of the most liberal, mean-spirited anti-socons, most of whom seemed to be supporting that social liberal rudy. There are still a lot of rudy supporters on free republic. If this were a purge of rudybots, they’d all be gone.


15,118 posted on 04/29/2007 2:48:36 PM PDT by Kevmo (Duncan Hunter just needs one Rudy G Campaign Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVBtPIrEleM)
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To: wagglebee

What COULD he do? The buildings were privately owned. Therefore, it was not his responsibility to come up witb an evacuation plan for property that didn’t even belong to the city.


15,119 posted on 04/29/2007 2:49:43 PM PDT by IrishRainy (I used to NEVER finish anything, but now I)
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To: Skywarner

I only did my duty. It was my privilege.


15,120 posted on 04/29/2007 2:50:03 PM PDT by af_vet_1981 (Waiting for Samson)
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