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Will FR embrace socialism to make way for Rudy Giuliani as a Republican presidential candidate?
vanity | April 21, 2007 | Jim Robinson

Posted on 04/21/2007 6:42:25 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

We've got some real challenges facing us. FR was established to fight against government corruption, overstepping, and abuse and to fight for a return to the limited constitutional government as envisioned and set forth by our founding fathers in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution and other founding documents.

One of the biggest cases of government corruption, overstepping and abuse that I know of is its disgraceful headlong slide into a socialist hell. Our founders never intended for abortion to be the law of the land. And they never intended the Supreme Court to be a legislative body. They never intended God or religion to be written out of public life. They never intended government to be used to deny God's existence or for government to be used to force sexual perversions onto our society or into our children's education curriculum. They never intend for government to disarm the people. They never intended for government to set up sanctuary cities for illegals. They never intended government to “rule” over the people and or to take their earnings or private property or to deprive them of their constitutional rights to free speech, free religion, private property, due process, etc. They never intended government to seize the private property of private citizens through draconian asset forfeiture laws or laws allowing government to take private property from lawful owners to give to developers. Or to seize wealth and redistribute it to others. Or to provide government forced health insurance or government forced retirement systems.

All of the above are examples of ever expanding socialism and tyranny brought to us by liberals/liberalism.

FR fights against the liberals/Democrats in all of these areas and always will. Now if liberalism infiltrates into the Republican party and Republicans start promoting all this socialist garbage, do you think that I or FR will suddenly stop fighting against it? Do you think I'm going to bow down and accept abortionism, feminism, homosexualism, global warming, illegal alien lawbreakers, gun control, asset forfeiture, socialism, tyranny, totalitarianism, etc, etc, etc, just so some fancy New York liberal lawyer can become president from the Republican party?

Do you really expect me to do that?


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To: Knitting A Conundrum
Howdy friend! :-)

"A friend should be one in whose understanding and virtue we can equally confide, and whose opinion we can value at once for its justness and its sincerity. He who has made the acquisition of a judicious and sympathizing friend may be said to have doubled his mental resources." - Robert Hall

14,761 posted on 04/29/2007 8:23:59 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (<------(My choice for President in 2008 - Click on my screen name)
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To: Knitting A Conundrum

Morning. This thread is still going, wow.


14,762 posted on 04/29/2007 8:25:20 AM PDT by Delphinium
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To: EternalVigilance

I’ll have to work to find a good quote back! ;)


14,763 posted on 04/29/2007 8:27:10 AM PDT by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: Delphinium

It’s still going strong...


14,764 posted on 04/29/2007 8:29:10 AM PDT by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: IrishRainy; woofie; EternalVigilance
Yeah, that’s me alright. A troll flying under the radar for NINE years. I shoulda known I couldn’t get anything past you, EV.

There are plenty of barking (or should I say howlin) moonbat longtime FReepers, well not so many as last week or even yesterday, and by your tone, well, we'll likely be short another few soon enough. It's easy to masquerade as a Conservative, the tough part is maintaining the lie. Thanks for playing. Give 'em hell EV. Blackbird.

14,765 posted on 04/29/2007 8:30:46 AM PDT by BlackbirdSST
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To: Barset
“Based on his public record in LE and during his time as mayor of New York City, Guliani seems capable of demonstrating the ruthlessness required to clean out our intelligence services, the DOJ and the State Department — or as they are usually referred to, the enemy within.”

There’s no difference between Rudy’s position on the WOT on all the other candidates.

Second, we should nominate Rudy for head of Homeland Security if that is his strength. We don’t need him to be president.

Third, there is no evidence Rudy is a shoo-in to win NY, NJ or California. The DBM will highlight his corruption ties and flip-flops. Dems will paint him as a wild eyed liberal in the Red States, and as a too tough, arrogant, fascists in the blue states.

Fourth, if Rudy was so popular in NY, he would've ran for Governor or Senator. He barely won reelection as Mayor, and is extremely unpopular with NYC minorities.

He has no connection with Hispanics. Hey, vote for the NYC elitist, who is for abortion, Gay rights, and free trade with Cuba. Yeah, that will draw the Hispanics in!

Like I said, Rudy for Homeland Security, not POTUS.

14,766 posted on 04/29/2007 8:31:17 AM PDT by pablo H (Remember '96- No more Doles!)
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To: Barset
“Based on his public record in LE and during his time as mayor of New York City, Guliani seems capable of demonstrating the ruthlessness required to clean out our intelligence services, the DOJ and the State Department — or as they are usually referred to, the enemy within.”

There’s no difference between Rudy’s position on the WOT on all the other candidates.

Second, we should nominate Rudy for head of Homeland Security if that is his strength. We don’t need him to be president.

Third, there is no evidence Rudy is a shoo-in to win NY, NJ or California. The DBM will highlight his corruption ties and flip-flops. Dems will paint him as a wild eyed liberal in the Red States, and as a too tough, arrogant, fascists in the blue states.

Fourth, if Rudy was so popular in NY, he would've ran for Governor or Senator. He barely won reelection as Mayor, and is extremely unpopular with NYC minorities.

He has no connection with Hispanics. Hey, vote for the NYC elitist, who is for abortion, Gay rights, and free trade with Cuba. Yeah, that will draw the Hispanics in!

Like I said, Rudy for Homeland Security, not POTUS.

14,767 posted on 04/29/2007 8:31:17 AM PDT by pablo H (Remember '96- No more Doles!)
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To: Barset
“Based on his public record in LE and during his time as mayor of New York City, Guliani seems capable of demonstrating the ruthlessness required to clean out our intelligence services, the DOJ and the State Department — or as they are usually referred to, the enemy within.”

There’s no difference between Rudy’s position on the WOT on all the other candidates.

Second, we should nominate Rudy for head of Homeland Security if that is his strength. We don’t need him to be president.

Third, there is no evidence Rudy is a shoo-in to win NY, NJ or California. The DBM will highlight his corruption ties and flip-flops. Dems will paint him as a wild eyed liberal in the Red States, and as a too tough, arrogant, fascists in the blue states.

Fourth, if Rudy was so popular in NY, he would've ran for Governor or Senator. He barely won reelection as Mayor, and is extremely unpopular with NYC minorities.

He has no connection with Hispanics. Hey, vote for the NYC elitist, who is for abortion, Gay rights, and free trade with Cuba. Yeah, that will draw the Hispanics in!

Like I said, Rudy for Homeland Security, not POTUS.

14,768 posted on 04/29/2007 8:31:21 AM PDT by pablo H (Remember '96- No more Doles!)
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To: BlackbirdSST
"I don't give them hell. I just tell the truth about them and they think it's hell." - Harry Truman

;-)

14,769 posted on 04/29/2007 8:34:01 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (<------(My choice for President in 2008 - Click on my screen name)
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To: Bigh4u2
I’ve read the rest of you post, and it’s nothing more than a repeat of what you’ve said before.

If we couldn't do that, this thread would have 150 posts instead of 15,000.

14,770 posted on 04/29/2007 8:37:34 AM PDT by Lando Lincoln
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To: BlackbirdSST

Doh! You caught me. After 9 years, I thought I had you all fooled, but not you and your eagle - er, Blackbird - eye.


14,771 posted on 04/29/2007 8:38:03 AM PDT by IrishRainy (I used to NEVER finish anything, but now I)
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To: af_vet_1981
The liberalism I'm most concerned about is the too frequent support for porn and drugs under the auspices of libertarianism. It is a cancer in society and FR is not immune.

I share your concern and disgust.

14,772 posted on 04/29/2007 8:40:39 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: EternalVigilance

As long as our Government is administered for the good of the people, and is regulated by their will; as long as it secures to us the rights of person and of property, liberty of conscience and of the press, it will be worth defending—Andrew Jackson


14,773 posted on 04/29/2007 8:46:05 AM PDT by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: Knitting A Conundrum

My trip to Boise was long but great. Got work to do today.


14,774 posted on 04/29/2007 8:51:10 AM PDT by Delphinium
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To: Knitting A Conundrum
"Trust in God, but keep your powder dry." - Cromwell
14,775 posted on 04/29/2007 8:51:36 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (<------(My choice for President in 2008 - Click on my screen name)
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To: woofie; Mo1
Yea, I am an "important person" not because of what Ive accomplished (Im not about to go into that on this site) but because I have been here since 1998 and I have always tried to be kind to my fellow freepers...Yep, Ive apologized a few times (its easy to step over the line on the internet) but I always pulled myself up short and if I was wrong I admitted it.

My posting history is there for you to see until I get banned,and I think you will mostly find it full of good humor.I have over the years gotten many personal notes from people telling me I made them laugh.

But now I am angry, and you and your like minded sycophants are most deserving of that anger.What has happened here is a travesty and you are the fools and do not have a clue.

I'm with you woofie. I'm at work today and have to hit the road for a job, otherwise I stay and join you in your dissent of the purge.

Too many very good people have been banned because they took issue, most in a respectful way, with the new order here on FR. An unfortunately I'm not liking what I'm seeing with them. No more room for respectful dissent here. If you do, you're gone. 50 (+ or - a few) bannings of many of those who I've grown to respect with the thoughtfulness of their posts and support of conservatives. We're not all of one mind though we agree on most things here. And to be accused of being a troll or worse for posting a dissenting opinion is not what I expected FR to become. It's too bad that intolerance has become the norm here.

14,776 posted on 04/29/2007 9:01:47 AM PDT by CedarDave
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To: EternalVigilance

That was Cromwell?

Then there’s “Praise the Lord, but pass the ammunition....”


14,777 posted on 04/29/2007 9:03:44 AM PDT by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: Delphinium

Hope next time you get down to Boise, we’ll have time to talk!


14,778 posted on 04/29/2007 9:04:42 AM PDT by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: EternalVigilance

God grants liberty only to those who love it, and are always ready to guard and defend it.—Daniel Webster


14,779 posted on 04/29/2007 9:05:30 AM PDT by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: CedarDave; woofie

I agree. I posted some on this thread when it was still in the hundreds. It was sickening, to me, to see the glee with which some people were rejoicing in the bannings (especially those who have been here just a few days and, most likely, would have been zotted for the kinds of stuff they’ve said had they said it a year ago).

I don’t know that I have any FRiends here, per se, but people whose opinions I’ve respected over the years. I’m going to miss them very much on this forum.


14,780 posted on 04/29/2007 9:09:46 AM PDT by SittinYonder (Ic þæt gehate, þæt ic heonon nelle fleon fotes trym, ac wille furðor gan)
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