Will FR embrace socialism to make way for Rudy Giuliani as a Republican presidential candidate?

vanity | April 21, 2007 | Jim Robinson

[Jim Robinson]

We've got some real challenges facing us. FR was established to fight against government corruption, overstepping, and abuse and to fight for a return to the limited constitutional government as envisioned and set forth by our founding fathers in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution and other founding documents.

One of the biggest cases of government corruption, overstepping and abuse that I know of is its disgraceful headlong slide into a socialist hell. Our founders never intended for abortion to be the law of the land. And they never intended the Supreme Court to be a legislative body. They never intended God or religion to be written out of public life. They never intended government to be used to deny God's existence or for government to be used to force sexual perversions onto our society or into our children's education curriculum. They never intend for government to disarm the people. They never intended for government to set up sanctuary cities for illegals. They never intended government to “rule” over the people and or to take their earnings or private property or to deprive them of their constitutional rights to free speech, free religion, private property, due process, etc. They never intended government to seize the private property of private citizens through draconian asset forfeiture laws or laws allowing government to take private property from lawful owners to give to developers. Or to seize wealth and redistribute it to others. Or to provide government forced health insurance or government forced retirement systems.

All of the above are examples of ever expanding socialism and tyranny brought to us by liberals/liberalism.

FR fights against the liberals/Democrats in all of these areas and always will. Now if liberalism infiltrates into the Republican party and Republicans start promoting all this socialist garbage, do you think that I or FR will suddenly stop fighting against it? Do you think I'm going to bow down and accept abortionism, feminism, homosexualism, global warming, illegal alien lawbreakers, gun control, asset forfeiture, socialism, tyranny, totalitarianism, etc, etc, etc, just so some fancy New York liberal lawyer can become president from the Republican party?

Do you really expect me to do that?

[dukakis kerry the dream team]

Thanks for noticing, but I think the cadence was off a little.

[BykrBayb]

Which question does my answer fit?

Why do you keep asking these questions, when the answers are so obvious? Why do you keep pretending not to know basic things that everyone here knows? And why are you annoying me? Did I step on your toes sometime in the last couple years, and you think now is the time to get even? What is your problem?

[jedward]

Well, then it’s good that I was reading it and not marching to it then (lol)

[Rheo]

After following the Senate thread....kudos to Txsleuth, Bahbah, Mo1.....I had to listen to Zell Miller again.....and I think as we look backwards and to the future...he is a good man to listen to!

Best Wishes and kind thoughts NautiNurse.

[mkjessup]

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MOST Impressive. Obi-wan has trained you well. :)

[mkjessup]

Does anyone care what you [EV] think?

Yes, I do.

Do you like Roman Gladiators?

[Reagan Man]

The other site was started by a FReeper. It was started by a FReeper who felt uncomfortable posting on FR. He came to feel uncomfortable because he was constantly at odds with the conservative goals of Free Republic and a growing anti-Rudy factor. Btw, the startup for the other site looks to be March 5th. Since then, many other FReepers who also felt uncomfortable around this forum because of the new invigorated conservatism and anti-Rudyism, decided to join the other site. Still other posters decided to commit hara-kiri and join the other site. Most of these people didn't leave FR under the best of circumstances. Many are angry and probably have a bone to pick with Jim and other FReepers who are still members in good standing here. Others want to damage the integrity of this forum and if at all possible, bring it down. Good luck with that. Those are my impressions anyway.

WA is not the first anti-FReeper site and it won't the last. Its just the newest. One thing is true. Anti-Freeper websites don't startup because people are looking for a brand new news and discussion forum. There are plenty of those around. This is all about politics. Conservatism v liberalism, centrism, moderatism, even assholeism. Its politics.

[Kevmo]

I do. He’s doing a lot of heavy lifting here lately. Keep up the good work, EV.

[dukakis kerry the dream team]

Hey, j, did you notice I added “howlinzot” to the keyword list?

[gpapa]

Private comments could just as easily be handled by internal email if anyone wishes to keep it quiet. We do that here at FR all the time.

[mkjessup]

And FReepers were joining Lucianne.
That's pretty desperate,

You know it. And they'll be waiting for up to 6 months to get 'approved' for L.Com posting privileges. Ms. Lucianne is a fine lady, but her hired help, welllll they need 'help'.

[ansel12]

Actually DC seems not too bad, there is a lot of FR bashing going on at this moment naturally, but even without checking out the whole site I get the impression that they have their own gig going on.

Social conservatives and the anti-social conservatives are the two different halves of the Republican party, for our groups to be happy we need a little separation for our group conversations, then we can fight in the primaries and party platform committees etc.

[conservative in nyc]

Which question does my answer fit?
Potentially all of them, depending on your point of view.

Why do you keep asking these questions, when the answers are so obvious?
Because I don't think that the answers are obvious to some of the posters on this thread.

Why do you keep pretending not to know basic things that everyone here knows?
The only thing I supposedly "pretended" not to know is what an "anti-FReeper" is. A number of posters keep calling WideAwakes an "anti-FReeper" website without explaining what they mean by that. And I HONESTLY have never heard that phrase before this thread. I wasn't around here in the Clown Posse days.

And why are you annoying me?
How? By asking you questions? I don't intend to annoy you. I'm sorry if you've become annoyed.

Did I step on your toes sometime in the last couple years, and you think now is the time to get even?
No.

What is your problem?
The general incivility, profanity and personal attacks that have pervaded this thread and spilled over to others recently. It needs to stop. I'm not the only one calling for this. People should not feel afraid to fact check. Other than that, I don't have a problem.

[dukakis kerry the dream team]

Does anyone care what you think?

I do. I don't give a rats butt about what you think though.

[conservative in nyc]

The fact is Darwin Central is a more open site than WA. There they explicitly state their disdain for FR and gloat over the exodus that is now occurring.

Some posters certainly do. But the administration there has admonished them not to gloat so much a few times.

[BykrBayb]

“Why?” “Why?” “Why?” “Why?”

Enough of your silly questions, and false accusations. Your flame wars don’t work anymore. Didn’t you get the memo?

[mkjessup]

Hey Nauti, don't you be editing the truth, when I say 'NautiNurse appointed' Minister of Conservative Purity, that is EXACTLY the truth, because YOU came up with that title first, you used it, and then you told me to put it on my profile page.

As for RB, he's been more than holding his own as I see it.

You must not love me anymore, you don't slam me like you do RB, and you don't bring me flowers anymore either.

It's over Nauti, and what a shame too.

[jedward]

lol. No, I forget about those keywords.

[jedward]

You should add the centipede as well :)

[Kevmo]

FWIW, I think dmw makes a good point and you’re just going to bed. If your remarks are all email over there they should be email over here. It’s only fair.