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Will FR embrace socialism to make way for Rudy Giuliani as a Republican presidential candidate?
vanity | April 21, 2007 | Jim Robinson

Posted on 04/21/2007 6:42:25 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

We've got some real challenges facing us. FR was established to fight against government corruption, overstepping, and abuse and to fight for a return to the limited constitutional government as envisioned and set forth by our founding fathers in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution and other founding documents.

One of the biggest cases of government corruption, overstepping and abuse that I know of is its disgraceful headlong slide into a socialist hell. Our founders never intended for abortion to be the law of the land. And they never intended the Supreme Court to be a legislative body. They never intended God or religion to be written out of public life. They never intended government to be used to deny God's existence or for government to be used to force sexual perversions onto our society or into our children's education curriculum. They never intend for government to disarm the people. They never intended for government to set up sanctuary cities for illegals. They never intended government to “rule” over the people and or to take their earnings or private property or to deprive them of their constitutional rights to free speech, free religion, private property, due process, etc. They never intended government to seize the private property of private citizens through draconian asset forfeiture laws or laws allowing government to take private property from lawful owners to give to developers. Or to seize wealth and redistribute it to others. Or to provide government forced health insurance or government forced retirement systems.

All of the above are examples of ever expanding socialism and tyranny brought to us by liberals/liberalism.

FR fights against the liberals/Democrats in all of these areas and always will. Now if liberalism infiltrates into the Republican party and Republicans start promoting all this socialist garbage, do you think that I or FR will suddenly stop fighting against it? Do you think I'm going to bow down and accept abortionism, feminism, homosexualism, global warming, illegal alien lawbreakers, gun control, asset forfeiture, socialism, tyranny, totalitarianism, etc, etc, etc, just so some fancy New York liberal lawyer can become president from the Republican party?

Do you really expect me to do that?


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To: Skywarner

“Agreed, Allegra. The purge has not been something we should be proud of, no matter the reasoning or justification.”

No purge but lots of successful kamikazis choosing to leave in “glorious outrages and opera”


13,361 posted on 04/28/2007 2:15:26 PM PDT by rbmillerjr ("You tell them I'm comin...and hell's comin with me"!)
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To: DCPatriot

That is good to hear!


13,362 posted on 04/28/2007 2:16:02 PM PDT by commonguymd (Move it to the right)
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To: ScreamingFist
Just go check them out over at the other sites. It’s all there. DC has a running thread going right now copying and pasting stuff from here and laughing their butts off. WA (run by the "delightful" ex-freeper, Howlin) has a “secret hiding place” for ex-freepers who pass their top-secret screening process. This is where they go to discuss their game plan and pass out their talking points before sending back over here to cause more division among us. You wanna see it, it’s all there.

[Hi ex-freepers at DC and WA!]

13,363 posted on 04/28/2007 2:16:08 PM PDT by dmw (Conservatives DON'T vote for liberals.)
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To: ScreamingFist

“Link it please m8.....”

Read the thread, I have already linked it.


13,364 posted on 04/28/2007 2:17:17 PM PDT by ansel12 ((America, love it ,or at least give up your home citizenship before accepting ours too.))
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To: dmw

Are you saying that members of FR are kept tabs on? FR knows what other sites I’m a member of? And when I joined? I had no idea that was possible.


13,365 posted on 04/28/2007 2:17:29 PM PDT by Jrabbit ('scuse me??)
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To: dmw

wow Im glad to know what is going on....It sounds almost like the boys clubhouse is mad at the girls clubhouse


13,366 posted on 04/28/2007 2:18:15 PM PDT by woofie (Only God can decide who is a liberal)
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To: dmw; Jim Robinson; Spiff; dirtboy

What finally happened to get Howlin banned? I just noticed it myself. I notice that Hildy the abortion pusher is still around.


13,367 posted on 04/28/2007 2:18:27 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Jrabbit

We’re watching you now, Steven. Don’t you think it’s time you threw the leftover lasagna in the blue tupperware out? It’s been 7 months, for crying out loud.

;p


13,368 posted on 04/28/2007 2:18:33 PM PDT by RabidBartender (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kerMm0HG1mk)
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To: commonguymd

Agreed.

A similar trap is the one that asks: Can God make a rock so big that He can’t lift it?

That is not a spiritual question, it’s a logical fallacy, pitting infinite creative ability and omnipotence versus infinite mass.

In the case of the question you posed, it’s a strategic question. We must redouble our work so that we don’t have Hobson’s Choices like Rudy in November 08.

That would be between a very large rock and a very hard hard place where we don’t want to be...thus we work like we are on a chain gang right now.

And may God help us.


13,369 posted on 04/28/2007 2:18:56 PM PDT by The Spirit Of Allegiance (Public Employees: Honor Your Oaths! Defend the Constitution from Enemies--Foreign and Domestic!)
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To: Knitting A Conundrum; DCPatriot

(my butt’s gunna grow to this stool)...;0)


13,370 posted on 04/28/2007 2:18:56 PM PDT by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
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To: Luke21

For me, life issues. In part, because I see the state over and over again eroding what it means to be a person. That’s a political stance that comes out of my moral underpinnings, but is shaped no doubt on the anvil of the American individualist tradition.

It’s horrible to be killing babies, from a moral pov, because they are living beings.

Politically, what its saying is that the state can mandate who is a person worthy of life. As they also do in euthanasia cases, when personhood is legally stripped from someone. Eventually, it could, if unchecked become a cost/value ratio issue...you cost to much, the state strips you of personhood, and sends you down the tubes.

Guns is right up there with this for me, because guns were intended by the founders as an insurance policy against tyranny.

The PC I see as a threat to our American culture, because they tell you what to believe, and are quite totalitarian in what they accept as correct. And their POV counters much of what has traditionally been the bulwark of American society...the value of men, of individuals, of family and morality.

Anyway, this is how it works with me.


13,371 posted on 04/28/2007 2:19:00 PM PDT by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: woofie
"It sounds almost like the boys clubhouse is mad at the girls clubhouse"

I peeked in there the other day - they have a candy machine or something in there - no fair!

13,372 posted on 04/28/2007 2:19:37 PM PDT by RabidBartender (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kerMm0HG1mk)
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To: michigander
"It also could be that you just never saw a problem with it before since it was being done by "a lot of long time members"

If that's what you mean, no. I'm not stunned by rude posts or flame wars. Flaming has been a part of Freerepublic as long as I've been here, and has been employed by all sides, including the "social conservatives." Although there are several departed who were not particularly prone to flaming.

It's not flaming that is a problem for me, but the glee and vindictiveness which greets the purging of people whom I don't always agree with, or do, but who are good conservatives.

13,373 posted on 04/28/2007 2:19:45 PM PDT by Sam Cree (absolute reality)
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To: DCPatriot
Was Howlin banned, or did she opus?
When I was a noob she yelled at me
But I like her anyways (:
13,374 posted on 04/28/2007 2:19:47 PM PDT by firewalk
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To: ansel12
Read the thread, I have already linked it.

I'm not gonna read 13000 plus posts, try a new link....

13,375 posted on 04/28/2007 2:20:23 PM PDT by ScreamingFist (Annihilation - The result of underestimating your enemies. NRA)
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To: The Spirit Of Allegiance

Amen.


13,376 posted on 04/28/2007 2:20:32 PM PDT by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: ansel12

I’ll have to check out the other forums.


13,377 posted on 04/28/2007 2:20:48 PM PDT by Sam Cree (absolute reality)
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To: The Spirit Of Allegiance

Amen, eloquently stated!


13,378 posted on 04/28/2007 2:21:14 PM PDT by commonguymd (Move it to the right)
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To: DCPatriot

“I hope in time, some of them return.”


HOME PAGE

“I am fiscally conservative but somewhat liberal on social issues...especially on the topic of immigration. No apologies offered.”

“I’m hopelessly liberal on immigration. They took the nerve to get across the border to work here....let them stay. Give them citizenship.
Get them on the tax rolls.”


Every one seeks the company of people that share their views.


13,379 posted on 04/28/2007 2:21:18 PM PDT by ansel12 ((America, love it ,or at least give up your home citizenship before accepting ours too.))
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To: Skywarner

“I have set a condition that I perceive to be in the PROCESS of being met.”

I hope you consider that your perception may not be reality. I saw the beginning of a thread to say NO to Rudy and re-affirming conservative principles. I don’t see and hope I never see an end to that.

Many have put their own perceived beginning and ending on this thread by their own personal perceived starting and ending points.


13,380 posted on 04/28/2007 2:21:23 PM PDT by jedward (Mission '08 - Take back the House & Senate. No Negotiations...No Prisoners.)
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