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Will FR embrace socialism to make way for Rudy Giuliani as a Republican presidential candidate?
vanity | April 21, 2007 | Jim Robinson

Posted on 04/21/2007 6:42:25 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

We've got some real challenges facing us. FR was established to fight against government corruption, overstepping, and abuse and to fight for a return to the limited constitutional government as envisioned and set forth by our founding fathers in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution and other founding documents.

One of the biggest cases of government corruption, overstepping and abuse that I know of is its disgraceful headlong slide into a socialist hell. Our founders never intended for abortion to be the law of the land. And they never intended the Supreme Court to be a legislative body. They never intended God or religion to be written out of public life. They never intended government to be used to deny God's existence or for government to be used to force sexual perversions onto our society or into our children's education curriculum. They never intend for government to disarm the people. They never intended for government to set up sanctuary cities for illegals. They never intended government to “rule” over the people and or to take their earnings or private property or to deprive them of their constitutional rights to free speech, free religion, private property, due process, etc. They never intended government to seize the private property of private citizens through draconian asset forfeiture laws or laws allowing government to take private property from lawful owners to give to developers. Or to seize wealth and redistribute it to others. Or to provide government forced health insurance or government forced retirement systems.

All of the above are examples of ever expanding socialism and tyranny brought to us by liberals/liberalism.

FR fights against the liberals/Democrats in all of these areas and always will. Now if liberalism infiltrates into the Republican party and Republicans start promoting all this socialist garbage, do you think that I or FR will suddenly stop fighting against it? Do you think I'm going to bow down and accept abortionism, feminism, homosexualism, global warming, illegal alien lawbreakers, gun control, asset forfeiture, socialism, tyranny, totalitarianism, etc, etc, etc, just so some fancy New York liberal lawyer can become president from the Republican party?

Do you really expect me to do that?


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To: Knitting A Conundrum

I’ve seen a rant or two, here and there (lol)


12,241 posted on 04/27/2007 9:39:03 AM PDT by jedward (Mission '08 - Take back the House & Senate. No Negotiations...No Prisoners.)
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To: Knitting A Conundrum

“Every step we take towards making the State our Caretaker of our lives, by that much we move toward making the State our Master.”

Dwight D. Eisenhower

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BUMP for Quote!!!


12,242 posted on 04/27/2007 9:40:04 AM PDT by jedward (Mission '08 - Take back the House & Senate. No Negotiations...No Prisoners.)
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To: Knitting A Conundrum

One last comment I didn’t get in. I for one believe science is a tool, and not something to believe in. Do I believe in a knife? Do I believe in data collections? Nope, I use the knife, I use the data collections.

And for the moment, rant over.


12,243 posted on 04/27/2007 9:43:29 AM PDT by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: jedward

Another quote back at ya...

“Now more than ever before, the people are responsible for the character of their Congress. If that body be ignorant, reckless and corrupt, it is because the people tolerate ignorance, recklessness and corruption. If it be intelligent, brave and pure, it is because the people demand these high qualities to represent them in the national legislature.... If the next centennial does not find us a great nation ... it will be because those who represent the enterprise, the culture, and the morality of the nation do not aid in controlling the political forces.”
James Garfield, the twentieth president of the United States, 1877


12,244 posted on 04/27/2007 9:43:57 AM PDT by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: Spiff

Cool graphic!


12,245 posted on 04/27/2007 9:44:22 AM PDT by DocRock (All they that take the sword shall perish with the sword. Matthew 26:52 ... Go ahead, look it up!)
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To: Knitting A Conundrum

I find it interesting how many groups/people, etc. gather data and then can’t interpret the data. I suppose that’s where the analysis part comes in.


12,246 posted on 04/27/2007 9:47:44 AM PDT by jedward (Mission '08 - Take back the House & Senate. No Negotiations...No Prisoners.)
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To: jedward

Yep.

I wish DOS would get some honest analysts and believe them...but they are as politically biased as other groups that don’t question their underlying assumptions enough.

I blame DOS for a lot over the last 70 or so years.


12,247 posted on 04/27/2007 9:50:50 AM PDT by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: jedward

“The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government — lest it come to dominate our lives and interests.”
Patrick Henry


12,248 posted on 04/27/2007 9:51:56 AM PDT by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: All; Kevmo

“Folks:

Napkin User has been banned or suspended, I don’t know why. He was the keeper of the StopRudy ping list.”

That’s a shame. Does anyone know why?


12,249 posted on 04/27/2007 9:57:11 AM PDT by Sun (Vote for Duncan Hunter in the primaries. See you there.)
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To: Sun

Keyword abuse, but he’s been reinstated by JimRob.


12,250 posted on 04/27/2007 9:59:51 AM PDT by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: Knitting A Conundrum

“Keyword abuse, but he’s been reinstated by JimRob.”

Glad he/she’s been reinstated. Thanks.


12,251 posted on 04/27/2007 10:04:24 AM PDT by Sun (Vote for Duncan Hunter in the primaries. See you there.)
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To: rbmillerjr
They have turnips and trucks in Alaska. I didn’t know you were Alaskan. So my Maryland Blue Crab bet offer was quite coincidental. I like my tasty Blues better than the Kings. Size does not matter lol.

Good morning! :) I've never had the pleasure of eating a Maryland Blue crab, but I have yet to find a crab I didn't like. Years ago, we used to go crabbing in WA and OR for dungenous crab. Those are delicious too but we had to work harder to get the meat out of them. Are blue crabs similar to dungenous crabs? You're right, this is one of those times where size doesn't matter. LOL ;)

12,252 posted on 04/27/2007 10:05:52 AM PDT by Chena (Why settle for less when you could have the best?! Fred Thompson for President!)
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To: Knitting A Conundrum
>“The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government — lest it come to dominate our lives and interests.”

Constitution as a _Conceptual_ Maginot Line
12,253 posted on 04/27/2007 10:06:24 AM PDT by theFIRMbss
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To: Jim Robinson
Give us a break, will ya? No one reads your mail. When someone is being stalked by freepmail, or abused or harassed, etc, they sometimes cut and paste a copy of the abusive message and report it to me or to the mods by abuse report or freepmail. Depending on the severity of the abuse and or if the abuser has a history of being abusive, he may receive a warning, a suspension or a zotting. It happens.

I wasn't accusing, I deliberately said the word, "if" and "IF" for a reason. Someone mentioned that possibility and the very thought of it was disturbing to me. But thank you for settling the issue that was brought up. I appreciate that and if I see it brought up again, I will let whoever posts it know that they are incorrect and share your answer with them. :)

12,254 posted on 04/27/2007 10:10:55 AM PDT by Chena (Why settle for less when you could have the best?! Fred Thompson for President!)
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To: Jim Robinson

AMEN!


12,255 posted on 04/27/2007 10:11:54 AM PDT by redtetrahedron ("Before I formed you in the womb I knew you" - Jer 1:5)
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To: AntiGuv; sodpoodle; Kevmo
Thanks for the responses.

I really would like to see a good discussionon of this.

:O)

P
Run, FRED, run, and bring J.C. Watts with ya!

12,256 posted on 04/27/2007 10:23:18 AM PDT by papasmurf (FRed is like genuine leather. Rudy is genuine imitation naugahyde.)
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To: papasmurf

“””Run, FRED, run, and bring J.C. Watts with ya!”””

A poster was attempting to promote a Fred Thompson Duncan Hunter ticket - unfortunately, her tagline read:

HUNTER THOMPSON

(had NO traction;)


12,257 posted on 04/27/2007 10:26:43 AM PDT by sodpoodle ( Despair - man's surrender. Laughter - God's redemption)
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To: Chena

“dungenous crab. Those are delicious too but we had to work harder to get the meat out of them. Are blue crabs similar to dungenous crabs?”

A few years back we went on vacation to Vancouver,Victoria, ?those islands out that way, and Seattle. Had my dungenous crab.

The dungenous crab meat was kind of bland and stringy. Blue crab is much more meaty with big lumps of meat and the taste is very sweet. You should take me up on the bet because the blue crab is worth it. However the fresh salmon I found “like a circus in my mouth”.


12,258 posted on 04/27/2007 10:29:42 AM PDT by rbmillerjr ("You tell them I'm comin...and hell's comin with me"!)
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To: Jim Robinson

Anti-freeper sites still exist? That’s news to me. Simply put, I don’t have the time to spend doing that crap, even if I wanted to (and I don’t).

Heck, I have no idea who I’m supporting for President yet either. But I can tell you that the nominee will be Giuliani, unless Thompson gets into the race, and then I’d say he stands a halfway-decent shot (25-30%). The odds would still be against him winning the election (whereas they will favor Giuliani), but that’s the way the country is right now.

And so, because I really don’t like any of the other candidates (except Huckabee), my support will likely go to one of those two. Sure, neither is perfect, but this site right now is trying to overemphasize Giuliani’s negatives while overemphasizing Thompson’s positives.

This gets me back to my main point, which you ducked with a personal attack because you have no answer. Whether in 1999, 2001 or right now, the same sets of circumstances coincided and bannings thereafter occurred in the manner I listed in my earlier post. And when the likely occurrence of Giuliani as Republican nominee (and likely President) occurs a year or two from now, the same reverse situation that occurred in 2001 will happen then. “The more things change, the more they become the same.”

The real net negative is that once again this site has lost a certain cadre of posters who make it halfway interesting. Some will reappear, but others will be gone forever. And also the level of discussion will go downhill once again, as it did back in 1999.

Food for thought.


12,259 posted on 04/27/2007 10:36:31 AM PDT by Sam Spade
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To: sodpoodle

LOL!


12,260 posted on 04/27/2007 10:37:21 AM PDT by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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