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'Celebration' banned for Jamestown's 400th--You can't celebrate an invasion
Worldnetdaily ^ | 3-8-07 | Bob Unruh

Posted on 03/08/2007 5:24:52 AM PST by SJackson

'Celebration' banned for Jamestown's 400th
Events marking settlement's anniversary condemn its 'holocaust'


Posted: March 8, 2007
1:00 a.m. Eastern

By Bob Unruh
© 2007 WorldNetDaily.com


This year is the 400th anniversary of the arrival of settlers in Jamestown, 13 years before the Plymouth Pilgrims appeared on America's shores. And there will be discussions on the environmental impact of the settlement and its impact on African-Americans and Native Americans. But there will be no celebration.

"You can't celebrate an invasion," Mary Wade, a member of Jamestown 2007 organizing committee, has stated. After all, Indian tribes "were pushed back off of their land, even killed. Whole tribes were annihilated. A lot of people carry that oral history with them, and that's why they use the word 'invasion,' because it truly was an invasion, and I'm sure some of the Indian people will probably want to tell that as a part of the story of 400 years."

And that has some experts in history upset, since the advent of Jamestown provided what later became the United States with important introductions to Christian common law, a republican representative government, the first Protestant Christian worship service, and its first interracial marriage.

 

Wade's comments came in an interview with Voice of America, and highlighted the revisions that are going on regarding the history of Jamestown – and America. It also left a message about how important are the disputes over the political perspective now being applied retroactively to America's history.

"I believe this is one of the most significant battles of our day," said Doug Phillips, president of Vision Forum Ministries and the founder of the Jamestown Quadricentennial: A Celebration of America's Providential History, Vision Forum's own series of events to celebrate the quadracentennial. "It is the battle for our history."

He cited the fact that the Jamestown settlers arrived with not only an economic commission from England, but orders to spread the Good News of Jesus, noting one of the founders of Jamestown, Richard Hakluyt, wrote, "Wee shall by plantinge there inlarge the glory of the gospel, and from England plante sincere religion, and provide a safe and a sure place to receave people from all partes of the worlds that are forced to flee for the truthe of Gods worde."

And he said the Bible, in Psalm 78, tells readers, "If we don't tell the great deeds of God, our children will lose hope." But he said the secular perspectives that are the focal point of the contemporary events miss that Christian perspective, and that will end up being costly.

"We are destroying our children's generation by robbing them of history. They don't know who they are or where they came from," he told WND in an interview.

Phillips said America is known world-wide for its celebration, from the millions of dollars worth of fireworks ignited each 4th of July to the major festivities launched for other events, such as the 1976 Bicentennial.

But now, for the first time ever, the nation is ashamed of itself, so ashamed, he noted, Jamestown 2007 officials have banned the use of the word "celebration" in their materials.

On the other hand, they still are interested in attracting paying visitors to the region to fund their various activities, so they have turned this year's acknowledgment of the history into a bashfest.

"For America's 400th birthday, what should be a celebration of gratitude to the Lord is fast becoming an homage to revisionist historiography and political correctness," Phillips said.

For example, an event called, "State of the Black Union 2007: America's 400th Anniversary: The African American Imprint on America," already has been held. Its goal was a conversation about "how African Americans have made this nation great and how we must continue to fight to make the state of Black America a more perfect union."

Two other discussion headlines have included: "A Concentrated Diversity: The Maroons of the Great Dismal Swamp, 1619 to 1860," and "The Ecology of Jamestown – Origin of Environmental Injustice in America."

Said one commentary by Ken Adams, a tribal leader: "The British government finally sent enough people to take over all the land, which the Indians owned, and in the process of the wars that followed, 90 percent of an entire human race of people died."

"Yet, by God's grace, grateful Christians have an opportunity to officially celebrate America's great heritage on her 400th birthday," Phillips said.

His Vision Forum Ministries will be rallying Americans "from shore to shore to Jamestown" to the "Jamestown Quadricentennial: A Celebration of America's Providential History."

Those events will be June 11-16, and will highlight the significant role Jamestown played in creating the United States and its freedoms. There is a fourfold vision for Vision Forum's plans: to leave a witness for future generations that America did not forget the providential hand of God and Americans are a thankful people willing to honor the faith of their fathers, to create an exciting event that gives families an unforgettable experience, to leave a record of poetry and literature for following generations, and to leave "rocks of remembrance and Ebenezers of hope" that will provide vision for children of today.

A featured guest will be Harrison Tyler, the man whose father called for the Tercentenary 100 years ago and whose grandfather, the nation's 10th president, John Tyler, Jr., keynoted the 250th celebration.

Kevin Crossett, a spokesman for the formal Jamestown 2007 organization, said the historians decided to highlight free enterprise, representative government and cultural diversity in this year's "commemoration."

"That's not to say that other legacies are not important. These are the three that … are the most well-known," he told WND. Besides, other organizations are marking the Christian legacy, he said. "It's not being promoted as such from our office."

He said the use of the "commemoration" was changed from "celebration," as the events have been known for the last 200 years, because of objections from blacks and Native Americans.

"When we started planning the culturally diverse aspects of the Jamestown story, the African-American and Indian communities said, 'This isn't necessary a celebration for us,'" he said. "Those words struck home."

While that may have happened, Phillips notes that the actions resulting from those words actually is changing the history, since the settlers in Jamestown were commissioned to carry the message of Christianity, and did that in many ways.

"America's first published author was Captain John Smith, who described the arrival of the Jamestown settlers in 1607 as an act of providential goodness. America's spiritual 'first family,' the Mathers of New England, authored numerous works on Providence. America's first charter as an independent nation, the Declaration of Independence, announced that our ability to persevere as a nation rested in our 'firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence.' Just weeks before the Declaration was signed, America's first great political mentor, the Rev. John Witherspoon (himself a signer of the Declaration and the tutor to one sixth of the members of our Constitutional Convention) authored 'The Dominion of Providence Over the Passions of Men.' Even America's first president regularly invoked the God of providence in his writings," he said.

"Thus, gratitude to the sovereign God for His many providential blessings is not only biblical, it is richly American," Phillips said.

"In 1807 for the two hundredth, 1957 for the 250th, 1907 for the three hundredth, and then again in 1957 for the 350th anniversary celebration of America's birthday at Jamestown, our nation was enthusiastically reminded of these glorious acts of Divine Providence," Phillips noted.

For example, in 1857, former President John Tyler, Jr. gave a three-hour keynote oration tracing 250 years of providence, perseverance, and blessing.

Here amid the graves of our ancestors, we renew our pledges to those principles of self-government, which have been consecrated by their examples through two-hundred and fifty years; and implore that great Being who so often and signally preserved them through trials and difficulties, to continue to our country His protecting guardianship and care.

Phillips said the more liberal members of the media have joined the secularization and diminution of Jamestown's contributions. "A town which disappeared into the mud," is from the New York Times while the Virginia Gazette said Jamestown was "not worth it."

"For a whole year or more we shall celebrate the fact that a bunch of British buffoons who knew nothing of what they were doing colonized a swamp for the sake of Christianizing Indians," the paper said.

If such efforts are successful, "ours will be the first generation in the history of America at the time of a landmark historical celebration to officially and publicly despise our birthright and the providential hand of God in the life of our people," Phillips noted.

The event planning has been going on for years, and it was in 2000 when Congress passed the Jamestown 400th Commemoration Commission Act, setting up the organizing structure for the events now going on.

The official propaganda from that group carries it even further. Virginia Gov. Tim Kaine told an early event that those previous celebrations "did not tell the whole story," and he introduced a panel including Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and Otis Moss. Moss said this nation should be required to fix "the propaganda of history," and those Jamestown settlers were guilty of mass "holocaust" and "lynchings."

The reality is that the Jamestown settlers were people, Phillips said. "The true record includes warts, bumps, and bruises … What makes this story so compelling is that God worked through remarkable but flawed men to advance a mission that was based on a prime directive of New Testament Christianity. The result – a nation conceived in liberty and dedicated to the proposition that men are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights."


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: americanhistory; crybabies; diversity; founding; godsgravesglyphs; hateamericacrowd; jamestown; jamestown400th; liberalism; politicalcorrectness; traitors; treason; virginia; waaambulance
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To: ApplegateRanch
What are you talking about? According to the Ward Churchill crowd before Europeans arrived Native Americans of all tribes engaged in cooperative economics and at night sat around the campfire singing Kum Ba Ya to celebrate their multicultural paradise. :-))
121 posted on 03/09/2007 11:56:49 AM PST by colorado tanker
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To: SirJohnBarleycorn
Taken from: A Vocabulary of the Unami Jargon by Thomas Campanius Holm (transcribed in the 1640s)

The Sachem's Speech to the Warriors

My good friends, all of you, don't take it amiss that my son has called you to this place. The Swedes dwell here upon our land; and they have many fortresses and houses for their habitation; but they have no goods to sell us; we can find nothing in their stores that we want, and we cannot trade with them; the question is, whether we shall go out and kill all the Swedes, and destroy them altogether, or, whether we shall suffer them to remain? Therefore, I am glad that you have come here, that we may consult together on this subject. You chiefs and warriors, what advice do you give? What shall we do with the Swedes? They have no cloth, red, blue or brown. They have no kettles, no brass, no lead, no guns, no powder: they have nothing to sell to us; but the English and the Dutch have got all sorts of good merchandise.

Some of the chiefs answer:

We are for the Swedes; we have nothing against them.

Another chief answers:

It would be well to kill all the Swedes; for they have nothing in their stores, for which we can trade with them.

The common warriors answer:

Wherefor should we kill all the Swedes, and root them out of the country? They are in friendship with us, we have no complaint to make of them; presently they will bring here a large ship, full of all sorts of good things.

Other warriors respond:

You talk well; we, common warriors, agree with you. Then we should not kill all the Swedes, and root them out of the country.

Others reply:

No, by no means; for the Swedes are good enough, and they will shortly have here a large ship, full of all sorts of goods.

The King's decision:

Right so: we native Indians will love the Swedes, and the Swedes shall be our good friends. We, and the Swedes, and the Dutch, shall always trade with each other; we shall not make war upon them and destroy them. This is fixed and certain; take care to observe it.

The assembly answers:

We agree to it; it shall be fixed and certain. Now we are going home. Yes, farewell. Whither are you going? To our plantation. I understand. The maize is now fully ripe.

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This is a good example of the Munsee Delaware's way of dealing with European colonists. Suffice it to say that not all the tribes (particularly the Iroquois) were anywhere near so gentle...
122 posted on 03/09/2007 12:11:00 PM PST by Antoninus (I don't vote for liberals, regardless of party.)
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To: SJackson
"Why can't you celebrate an invasion?"

Next move will be to stop honoring the D-Day invasion.

123 posted on 03/09/2007 1:32:31 PM PST by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway~~John Wayne)
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To: Antoninus

I stand corrected on which government did it; however, I still maintain that the Indians have received less than honest treatment from the Americans.


124 posted on 03/09/2007 1:46:06 PM PST by Military family member (GO Colts!!)
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To: Military family member
I stand corrected on which government did it; however, I still maintain that the Indians have received less than honest treatment from the Americans.

On that, we generally agree. Though I must say, breaking treaties was a two-way street. One side had to lose eventually. In many cases, the US government was caught in the middle between the Indians breaking treaties and the often ungovernable white settlers breaking treaties.
125 posted on 03/09/2007 2:20:10 PM PST by Antoninus (I don't vote for liberals, regardless of party.)
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To: Military family member
But to argue that the American government has always dealt fairly with the Indians is absurd.

Of course it is. But it is equally absurd to think that all Indians needed to be dealt with fairly. We took the world as we found it and made it better. I look at it much the same way I look at the fire bombing of Dresden or Tokyo or the use of the atomic bomb when a demonstration in Tokyo Bay may have sufficed. Taken alone, these actions are morally reprehensible but in context with the depravity and barbarity they stopped, they are understandable and even laudable. At the time they were necessary. We take an action and reflect on an evil for a century or more. To the Indians depravity and barbarity was the epitome of their warrior society.

Sub-humans? Of course not. But the actions that they engaged in were the cruelest and most heinous assaults on anything decent that I can imagine. Assigning collective guilt to individual actions is a dangerous business but as a society they had accustomed to the barbarity. No government could ignore or whitewash the jaw-dropping torture and mayhem that they produced. Sand Creek and Washita were travesties in that we committed them but even Black Kettle admitted that murderers and rapists were in his camp and that he could not control them. For a settler who had seen his wife and 9 and 12 year-old daughters gang raped (passed on the plains) and then murdered by having their heads bashed in with rocks, I doubt that Sand Creek had any great moral considerations.

The Indians always had sympathetic people and groups speaking for them in Washington (the Indian Lobby). These groups grew stronger as the frontier moved west and the threats and dangers grew more distant. There was outrage at each individual atrocity but the government, in general, attempted to treat the Indians fairly. Circumstances and conditions changed constantly, as could be expected in a growing, developing country, and mistakes were made and policies were tried and abandoned. In this turmoil the one constant was the governments good faith in trying to balance a response to the Indian problem.

Almost from its inception the United States had the power to exterminate the Indians. In a hundred years of warfare the military killed relatively few. Rummel uses an implausible estimate of 3000 for the minimum and the 1890 census uses an equally implausible guess of 40,000. My guess is 15,000 to 25,000 and I am guessing on the high side. That’s 150 to 250 per year. Many, if not most, of those were on punitive missions for atrocities committed. The government may have treated the Indians as a step-child but it did not treat them as an implacable foe.

I meet a lot of European tourists and occasionally one will ask about or impolitely mention what we did with the Indians. If they stick their noses in the air and sniff at our inhumanity I take those same noses and rub it in their own putrid history, There are damn few European countries who can match our record of tolerance. Mistakes, yes. Confusion, yes. Uncertainty, yes. But if we had to do it over again we could do a lot worse that how we did it the first time.

126 posted on 03/09/2007 5:27:06 PM PST by MARTIAL MONK
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To: MARTIAL MONK
The saddest of the bunch, in my opinion, is the story of the Nez Pierce.

The great speech by Chief Joseph

I am tired of fighting. Our chiefs are killed. Looking Glass is dead. Toohoolhoolzote is dead. The old men are all dead. It is the young men who say, "Yes" or "No." He who led the young men [Olikut] is dead. It is cold, and we have no blankets. The little children are freezing to death. My people, some of them, have run away to the hills, and have no blankets, no food. No one knows where they are -- perhaps freezing to death. I want to have time to look for my children, and see how many of them I can find. Maybe I shall find them among the dead. Hear me, my chiefs! I am tired. My heart is sick and sad. From where the sun now stands I will fight no more forever.

127 posted on 03/09/2007 5:52:15 PM PST by Military family member (GO Colts!!)
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To: Military family member
Maudlin garbage.

Not long afterward another relief party left Grangeville to find the Chamberlins. Not more than a few hundred yards from where the wagon had been, they found the body of John Chamberlin. Both children were with him. Hattie, the older girl, was dead, but the other child was still alive. She was in bad condition, however, suffering from an ugly neck wound. She had also lost the tip of her tongue, probably severed in a fall, although some claimed that an Indian who had grown tired of her crying was responsible for the deed. When Cash Day found the little girl, she was trying to hide behind the corpse of her father. Remembering back to the scene, J. G. Rowton wrote: "May such trials be forever gone." [16] Within a mile of the wagon Rowton found Mrs. Chamberlin in an hysterical condition. She had been shot in the breast with an arrow and raped repeatedly.

128 posted on 03/09/2007 7:02:05 PM PST by MARTIAL MONK
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To: Military family member

The saddest story, in my opinion, is the demise of the Catawba Indians.

The great Catawba Chief King Haiglar was as noble a man as any who led an Indian tribe.

Tradition has it that Thomas Spratt was the first white settler in the area of the Catawbas, and was befriended by them. He supposedly was planning to move on and settle elsewhere, but the Catawbas were quite taken with him and convinced him to settle among them. Thomas Spratt fought together with the Catawbas, and they bestowed on him the name “Kanawha” supposedly on account of some adventure they had together in the area of the Kanawha River.

Many Indians made a great pretence of speaking of whites as their “brothers,” but the Catawbas were one of the few who really meant it. They backed their words with action, sincerely opened their arms and actually treated the white man this way. The Catawbas were open to advantages of civilization and often intermarried with colonists.

Sadly, the Catawbas were devastated by exposure to new diseases such as smallpox and this once-mighty tribe was reduced to a very small number. Alcoholism, that special bane of the Indians, also took its toll on them.

The Catawbas have a long and special tradition of service in our nation’s military, beginning even before the Revolution and continuing in every major war down to the present day. Catawba warriors fought with us in the Revolution, and during this time their women and children were moved to a position of safety in Virginia with the Pamunkey Indians.

The Catawbas, being a Southern people, fought with the Confederates in the Civil War and were brave and loyal to the bitter end. One researcher found only a single Catawba soldier who survived the war without being killed, wounded or captured. Grateful Carolinians dedicated a 10-foot statue in honor of the Catawba soldiers.

The Catawbas were not always treated well by their white “brothers,” but their honor was unstained.


129 posted on 03/09/2007 7:05:29 PM PST by SirJohnBarleycorn
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To: Military family member
does that mean that any unused land here in the US is up for grabs by foreign "colonists?"

There are about 10 million Mexicans here in the US who might be able to help with that question.

130 posted on 03/09/2007 7:17:25 PM PST by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: SJackson

We Southerners have had to deal with this PC crap for many years now. I'm sure you've seen pictures of Leftist demonstrations with the signs that say "US Out of North America". That's what it's gotten down to.


131 posted on 03/09/2007 8:56:55 PM PST by BnBlFlag (Deo Vindice/Semper Fidelis "Ya gotta saddle up your boys; Ya gotta draw a hard line")
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To: SJackson

The foundation of "sovereign title and dominion" to portions of the New World was the "right of first discovery" recognized among the maritime Christian European nations under International Law. This doctrine held that: (1) the initial discovery of lands unoccupied by any Christian Power; and (2) the setting up a mark of possession by subjects acting on authority of a European sovereign, conferred exclusive territorial title and dominion to that sovereign - good against all other European governments. http://users.sisqtel.net/armstrng/Indlegalhis.htm

According to Justice Story, in a conquered country, where there were no existing laws, or none adaptable to a civilized community, or where the laws were silent, or were rejected and none substituted, the territory must be governed according to the rules of natural equity and right. Englishmen settling there must be deemed to carry with them those rights and privileges that belong to them in their native country. [2 Salk. 411, 412; See also Nall v. Campbell, Cowp. R. 204, 211, 212; 1 Chalm. Ann. 14,15, 678, 679, 689, 690; 1 Chalm. Opinions, 194; 2 Chalm. Opinions, 202; Chitty on Prerog. ch. 2; 2 Wilson's Law Lect. 48, 49.]

The ideological legal foundation for the American colonists' assertion of the right to English liberties and common law rested upon the validity of the claim that the colonies were vacant lands or "wastelands" settled by Englishmen and subject to English law. It is upon this foundation, in part, that the colonists justified their right to revolt against English acts of tyranny in regard to their liberties and rights.

Under the law recognized among European nations, a Christian sovereign was the titled owner to land in the wilderness that was "discovered" in his/her name. It was deemed a right exclusively belonging to the European government in its sovereign capacity to "extinguish" the "Indian title" or "Indian right of occupancy" and dispose of the land according to its own sovereign will. Land could only pass into private hands directly or indirectly by charter or grant from the Crown.

European sovereigns came to exclude persons from any right to acquire the soil by any direct grant from the natives. (For instance, the government of the Virginia Colony outlawed direct Indian land purchases in 1658, and in 1662 declared all such transactions void.)

The indigenous peoples ceased to be its legal owners and became merely "occupants." If at any time thereafter, Indians made a cession of land to an official representative of the sovereign, actually, all they were ceding was the right of occupancy of the land and not the legal title, which had already vested in the Christian sovereign.

In effect, the system developed whereby the European sovereigns exercised the right to grant legal title to the soil by charter and letters patent, even though it was still arguably in the possession of natives. The European title so granted was universally considered to convey a sufficient title in the soil to the grantees in perfect dominion, or a transfer of "plenum et utile dominium."

In Johnson v. McIntosh, 21 U.S. (8 Wheat.) 543 (1823), the Court held that Indian tribes were incapable of conveying their land directly to individuals. Chief Justice Marshall concluded that discovery conferred upon the European sovereign a title good against all European governments. The United States succeeded to that title to the extent that it was held by the British.

Marshall stated as to the Indians: "They were admitted to be the rightful occupants of the soil, with a legal as well as just claim to retain possession of it, and to use it according to their own direction; but their rights to complete sovereignty, as independent nations, were necessarily diminished, and their power to dispose of the soil at their own will, to whomsoever they pleased, was denied by the original fundamental principle, that discovery gave exclusive title to those who made it."

I know that in New England, very early settlers came with their own legal understanding that wasteland - land not enclosed by a fence, was open and available for establishment of a right in property. Continuous beneficial use ripened after the statute of limitations into a prescriptive right good against all but the sovereign. In many cases, colonists went out of the way to pay indigenous "owners." Unfortunately, tribal people who were often seasonal hunters and gatherers, did not have the same Western frame of property rights. They did not understand what they were selling and often would not have been the proper party to "sell it."

It should be noted that in the Indian Wars and raids, the Indians were not the only folk to be injured. In my family tree, I can name 10 people who were killed over a span of 200 years by Indians on the frontiers.


132 posted on 03/09/2007 9:21:25 PM PST by marsh2
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To: SirJohnBarleycorn

There was plenty of subhumanity to go around. Colonists and Indians burned and pillaged each other's settlements, especially in the Jamestown years, and both sides killed their share of non-combatants, including old men, women and children. The rules of engagement got a little more civilized, but only a little, in the years after.

I haven't seen any convincing evidence that there was a concerted effort to distribute smallpox-tainted blankets to the Indians. Smallpox was endemic in Europe, but not in the Americas, even among the European-born population.

One of my recent reads was Joseph Ellis' "His Excellency," a bio of George Washington, and one nugget from that was that during the sieges of Manhattan and Boston, he sent only troops with visible pockmark scars, those who had been exposed to and survived smallpox, because they had some immunity. Washington himself was one such man, having survived an adolescent bout with smallpox. Washington was ahead of his time in embracing Dr. Pasteur's theories.

I do not doubt that European colonists exposed a lot of American Indians to smallpox, to which the Indians had no prior exposure and no natural immunity. I have very serious doubts that blankets would be a reliable vector for same, or that anyone with 18th-century medical knowledge could have come up with a strategy to weaponize smallpox. The far more likely scenario is that someone sneezed at the wrong moment.


133 posted on 03/10/2007 2:29:34 AM PST by ReignOfError (`)
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To: Military family member
The eastern tribes may not have been wandering, but they were quite skilled at annihilating some of my forebears. Read some of the history of the early settlers of Jamestown being massacred. In one family, only a small child survived a vicious Indian attack by hiding in the root cellar while he heard his mother and father being scalped above. He carried the name "Potato Hole Woodson" the rest of his life!

The peace accorded the settlers by Pocahontas' conversion and marriage was brought to a sharp close with the death of her father, Powhatan.

134 posted on 03/10/2007 2:55:39 AM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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To: SirJohnBarleycorn

I believe that Smallpox was rampant among the troops in the Continental Army and returning soldiers spread it amongst their own famlies when they returned home. I read that there was an epidemic after the Revolution.

I have always wondered if that disease hit my GGGGGGGrandfather's Plantation in Virginia shortly after the Revolutionary War because his will mentioned something about "succumbing to the scourge that is sickening my household".


135 posted on 03/10/2007 3:07:02 AM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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To: goldstategop
Why are they ashamed of their own country??

Brainwashing by the public school system and mainstream media.

136 posted on 03/10/2007 3:21:55 AM PST by InfraRed
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To: Antoninus

My Swedish ancestor, Peter Anderson, who came to new Sweden as a youth in the 1640s on the Kalmar Nyckel as a young seaman, stayed to skipper the Governor's yacht around his private island. Anderson learned to negotiate with the local Indians as the Governor's aide.

In fact the Swedes kept peace between the Dutch and the British and the Indians. After the Governor left, Anderson returned to Sweden to collect his wages, marry his bride, and brought her back to New Sweden to purchase his farm on the Schuykill River near Philadelphia. He was often called upon to negotiate with the Indians, even after the numbers of colonists increased and the colony became strong.

Eventually, Peter Anderson's descendents (named Peterson) took the name Longacre after the British took charge of the area and forced both the Swedes and the Dutch to stop using their Patrynomic custom of assigning names. (Peter Anderson's children would be called Peterson; Petersdotter.)

I've seen the map of his farm, and it is a long, skinny piece of land on an island in the Schuykill River. It is not known by his many descendents whether he took his name because of the geographic shape of his farm, or because his brother-in-law, who had the neighboring farm, was an Englishman named Longshore.

In any case, it has confused his descendents for years. My mother still doesn't believe that she's Swedish, but she's 93 and too old to argue about it.


137 posted on 03/10/2007 3:35:24 AM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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To: SJackson

So what are they going to attack next? Will Our Thanksgiving become UnThanksgiving? What will Independence Day be called? This is becoming Not the Country I grew up in. We have gone soft, The American people have lost thier Will. Take God out of the Country and the Country will fall. We are falling.


138 posted on 03/10/2007 3:55:26 AM PST by glymers
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To: SJackson; Peach
"We are destroying our children's generation by robbing them of history. They don't know who they are or where they came from,"

Precisely. Apologists for America should be gagged.

139 posted on 03/10/2007 3:57:58 AM PST by prairiebreeze (I am PRO-VICTORY!!)
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To: Jacquerie

Tis reminds me of the frog in the cooking pot....the water gets so slowly heated that the frog never gets enough warning to jump out....until its too late.

I think its too late for America....I don't think that conservatives stand a chance of surviving another 10 years....eventually we will be hunted down.

And we are too fractured to organize anything other than debates on forums....all the while the water gets hotter and hotter...and we don't even smell the smoke.


140 posted on 03/10/2007 4:10:32 AM PST by Halgr (Once a Marine, always a Marine - Semper Fi)
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