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Is Driving Rinos out of the GOP Good for the Country? Thought-Provoking Must-Read for Rudy-Haters.
FR | April 16, 2002 | Common Tator

Posted on 02/28/2007 7:54:19 AM PST by Al Simmons

Wedge Issues Posted by: “Common Tator” in FreeRepublic.com April 16, 2002

The one thing that amazes me on this site is the belief by some that the conservative position is the majority position.

Mostly people tend to believe it could be the majority position if the right candidate ran, or if it weren't for the media or RINOs or etc, etc. They really don't have a clue.

Roughly 2/3 of the public has firm views. They have made up their minds and do not change them. This group is nearly equally split between the left and the right.

There are about a 1/3 of the population that is never sure. Sometimes it will go left and sometimes it will go right.

When a party restricts itself to its base it will be in a minority party. The "base only" party will be reduced to crying as the other side works its will. In some nations both the left and right restrict themselves to just their base. That nation then develops five or six parties. And all governments in that nation are coalitions of a major party and some of the minor parties. In that situation the minor party always has more influence than its numbers represent. For the Rino and Dino haters that is the worst of all worlds.

Many of Rino and Dino haters try to make ours a 3 or 4 party system. They never figure out that their splinter right or left party would never get much power in a government based on coalitions. They are too small. It is the centrist parties that have a 1/3 of the public as potential members that get the clout in the Multi Party system. As you can see in a 2 party or a 5 or 6 party system the center tends to prevail.

But in our two party system the center is an instrument the major parties use to enact their goals. In the multiparty system it is the center parties that use the right and left to enact their centrist goals. Such a system like those in Italy and France are RINO and DINO paradise.

This nation now and for all of the last 140 years has been roughly 1/3 left, 1/3 right and 1/3 in the middle. Those in the middle who run for office are what we call RINOs and DINOs.

When Republicans drive RINOs out they leave the party to become DINOs and take their political power with them. The Democrat party gets them by default.

Then the Democrats thanks to its Dino buddies have a veto proof house and senate. It was Barry Goldwater's greatest accomplishment. In my BRAIN I knew Barry would elect a lot of DINOs ... and he did.

If a party with most of the center wins the presidency too, they have a filibuster proof senate. That party then can do anything it wants to do. When the party leadership takes control they implement the parties’ core beliefs. It was what LBJ did after Goldwater drove all the RINOs into LBJ's camp. It let LBJ do the "Great Society." LBJ had to have Barry's help to do it. And Barry did what it took to give LBJ the support he needed... LBJ had all the left. Barry gave him all the center.

To win control a party must keep its base and get over half the middle. If the Republicans have more RINOs than the Democrats have DINOs the Republican agenda prevails. If the Democrats have more DINOs than the Republicans have RINOs the Democrat agenda prevails.

Those that demand the defeat of RINOs are doing all they can to enact the leftist agenda. They are the most valuable asset the left has. One of the most effective tactics in politics in the negative campaign.

Negative campaigns are not about getting votes for your candidate. They are about getting the other side's base to not vote for their candidate. Thus if you can get the right to vote against a Rino or not vote at all, you can elect a very liberal candidate.

If you can force the Republicans to nominate a right wing candidate so right wing he can't get the center voters, you elect the left candidate.


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KEYWORDS: 11thcommandment; 1dumbvanity; dinos; duncanhunter; fanatics; fauxreaganites; giuliani; rinos; rinotalkingpoints; rudy; yesrinosmustgo
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To: 68 grunt

Sheesh. Give me a break.


1,341 posted on 02/28/2007 6:18:24 PM PST by Jim Robinson (It's "originalists" not "constructionists.")
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To: woofie

LOL!


1,342 posted on 02/28/2007 6:19:23 PM PST by Howlin (Honk if you like Fred Thompson!!!)
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To: Al Simmons

Yeah, I see that. So spank me already and get it over with.


1,343 posted on 02/28/2007 6:19:26 PM PST by Jim Robinson (It's "originalists" not "constructionists.")
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To: Fiddlstix


LOL! If I've made you blush, I know that has to be a first!!! Woo-Hoo!


1,344 posted on 02/28/2007 6:19:48 PM PST by onyx (DEFEAT Hillary Clinton, Marxist, student of Saul Alinsky & ally and beneficiary of Soros.)
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To: Sunsong
Here's a litmus test, one propounded by the Rudy rooters themselves:

Prove that only Rudy can competently fight the War on Terror. Opinions don't count. Give us hard evidence. Why, among all the potential candidates, is Rudy the only one who will defend this nation and its people?

The rest of your bunch don't have the courage to make the case. Do you?

1,345 posted on 02/28/2007 6:19:49 PM PST by JCEccles
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To: dmw
You win the award for giving the stupidest most asinine reason (excuse) to vote for Rudy! God almighty! You're gonna let some *words* that offended you put you in Rudy's camp are you? Well, you obviously don't have any core conservative values in the first place if you are so fragile and sensitive to what someone "says". I can't believe anyone would act like such a baby. So what are you gonna do when a Rudy supporter says something that is so horribly offensive, vote for Hillary? Jeeeez!

LOL, if Hilary changed parties, most of these folks would vote for her.

1,346 posted on 02/28/2007 6:20:17 PM PST by Marine Inspector (Shhh, I’m hunting RINOs.)
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To: Jim Robinson
"I'm shocked that so many people would simply throw it all away. I will continue fighting for our traditional American conservative values regardless. I see absolutely no reason to give up the fight."

And neither do we. And we don't see ourselves as 'throwing away' anything but as living to fight another day.

And that difference of opinion, or tactics, if you will, does not a treason make, despite what SOME OTHER members of these discussions have said.

1,347 posted on 02/28/2007 6:20:44 PM PST by Al Simmons (Why Rudy in 2008? Because National Security should not be left to children.)
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To: Jim Robinson
Worth noting that, per the recent article on private schools, the pro-gay lobby actively seeks to force its grotesque self into every aspect of society... public and private.

This fact belies the pro-gay...and socially liberal Republican... claims that the ascendancy of the gay movement doesn't affect anyone else's life, that gay people just want to leave everyone alone, and such blather.

The reality is, they want affirmative action for gays, gay teachers in every school, and gay scout masters in every cabin.

The reality is, they are determined to force their immorality upon everyone else in a desperate attempt to drag everyone else down to their level.

1,348 posted on 02/28/2007 6:21:53 PM PST by Giant Conservative
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To: Marine Inspector
LOL, if Hilary changed parties, most of these folks would vote for her.

Yeah. I can hear it now: "But, she was a Goldwater Girl!"

1,349 posted on 02/28/2007 6:22:02 PM PST by EternalVigilance ("Liberalism": Now in two delicious Party Flavors!)
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To: wireman
I share your opinion of polls this far out from the election. My hype comment was a reference to the fact that every time new poll results are released they are breathlessly posted to demonstrate the futility of our resistance to Giuliani.

In any case, my point was that the same polls that show Giuliani with a commanding lead also show that a majority of voters don't know his positions. A Fox News/Opinion Dynamics poll from February 13-14 showed that 19% of respondents believed Giuliani was pro-life and 44% did not know his position on abortion. Those 63% may be stupid as you say, but it doesn't change the fact that the poll numbers are skewed by a lack of knowledge of his positions.

Link

1,350 posted on 02/28/2007 6:22:12 PM PST by garv (Conservatism in '08 www.draftnewt.org)
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To: Jim Robinson
... I suspect it will go on until one side or the other gets fed up and quits FR.

And I suspect it will be the honest FReeper that quits in frustration while the dishonest one will celebrate in victory.

1,351 posted on 02/28/2007 6:22:16 PM PST by 68 grunt (3/1 India, 3rd, 68-69, 0311)
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To: Al Simmons
Nice pic of the sub in the Arctic. Did you take it by any chance? Or just serve on one? I'm not sure I could have handled being underwater for 6 months at a shot....especially at 6'5"....

No, I didn't take that picture but a shipmate of mine did. Your height wouldn't be too much of an issue...as long as you watch your head and like to sleep curled up into a ball.

1,352 posted on 02/28/2007 6:22:24 PM PST by Doohickey (I am not unappeasable. YOU are just too easily appeased.)
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To: Al Simmons

For some comical reading:
John Cox: The ONLY conservative in the race
http://www.cox2008.com/cox/


1,353 posted on 02/28/2007 6:22:49 PM PST by Rex Anderson (Topeka, Kansas: Home of the Rudy-Haters)
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To: Al Simmons
And neither do we. And we don't see ourselves as 'throwing away' anything but as living to fight another day.

So, you're saying we will die unless Rudy is elected?

Do you really not know how stupid that assertion sounds?

1,354 posted on 02/28/2007 6:22:57 PM PST by JCEccles
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To: johncatl
Okay, how about explaining, in detail, HOW a primary works, in detail?

Since it is patently obvious that you don't know, go GOOGLE and learn how it REALLY works and come back here and make your report. I'm sick and tired of correcting all of the error filled posts that are constantly put up here.

1,355 posted on 02/28/2007 6:22:58 PM PST by nopardons
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To: Jim Robinson
"Yeah, I see that. So spank me already and get it over with."

Just being honest Jim. One of my most endearing (or alternately maddening) traits, depending on your point of view. Nothing personal.

1,356 posted on 02/28/2007 6:23:05 PM PST by Al Simmons (Why Rudy in 2008? Because National Security should not be left to children.)
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To: onyx

ROTFL!


1,357 posted on 02/28/2007 6:23:18 PM PST by Fiddlstix (Warning! This Is A Subliminal Tagline! Read it at your own risk!(Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: EternalVigilance
Exactly!
1,358 posted on 02/28/2007 6:24:14 PM PST by Marine Inspector (Shhh, I’m hunting RINOs.)
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To: onyx

OMIGOD; I needed that laugh. I haven't thought about that character in what 30 years!

You're really dating yourself there; and thanks for doing so.


1,359 posted on 02/28/2007 6:24:30 PM PST by youngjim (Oh, Absalom!)
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To: SJackson
He did. In Napa, to irk the "true conservatives".

Seriously, they were irked? Why on earth would that bother anyone?

1,360 posted on 02/28/2007 6:24:30 PM PST by Howlin (Honk if you like Fred Thompson!!!)
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