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An Ancient Computer Surprises Scientists (2200yo Roman computer!)
New York Times ^ | November 29, 2006 | JOHN NOBLE WILFORD

Posted on 11/29/2006 11:41:47 AM PST by Alter Kaker

A computer in antiquity would seem to be an anachronism, like Athena ordering takeout on her cellphone.

But a century ago, pieces of a strange mechanism with bronze gears and dials were recovered from an ancient shipwreck off the coast of Greece. Historians of science concluded that this was an instrument that calculated and illustrated astronomical information, particularly phases of the Moon and planetary motions, in the second century B.C.

The Antikythera Mechanism, sometimes called the world’s first computer, has now been examined with the latest in high-resolution imaging systems and three-dimensional X-ray tomography. A team of British, Greek and American researchers was able to decipher many inscriptions and reconstruct the gear functions, revealing, they said, “an unexpected degree of technical sophistication for the period.”

The researchers, led by Tony Freeth and Mike G. Edmunds, both of the University of Cardiff, Wales, are reporting the results of their study in Thursday’s issue of the journal Nature.

They said their findings showed that the inscriptions related to lunar-solar motions and the gears were a mechanical representation of the irregularities of the Moon’s orbital course across the sky, as theorized by the astronomer Hipparchos. They established the date of the mechanism at 150-100 B.C.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: antikythera; antikytheramechanism; godsgravesglyphs; greece
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To: longtermmemmory
The NYT is truly incompetent.

They are selective in what they report as news. This device was the topic of a thread on FR several months ago.

61 posted on 11/29/2006 12:41:58 PM PST by RightWhale (RTRA DLQS GSCW)
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To: Red Badger
I bet if you look at the fine print inscribed on it each use of the device requires you to send Billius Portae two jars of olive oil and a goatskin of wine.
62 posted on 11/29/2006 12:50:13 PM PST by nomorelurker (wetraginhell)
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To: RightWhale

click on the link in post #60

its been the topic of several threads.

This is a truly remarkable subject because it seems we are rediscoving the past.

(it also dove tails with many PC teachings about the past falling into the ashheap.)


63 posted on 11/29/2006 12:50:52 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Alter Kaker

From 200 BC to 1800 AD is 2000 years between this ancient computer and Charles Babbage and his mechanical computer. What went wrong? Why wasn't this advanced concept developed any further? It must be that the greek-pelosi-liberals took over then too, taxing the computer-machinists out of existence...


64 posted on 11/29/2006 12:50:57 PM PST by timer
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To: longtermmemmory

It is amazing they had such technology then and still didn't know where Leda's third egg went to.


65 posted on 11/29/2006 12:55:32 PM PST by RightWhale (RTRA DLQS GSCW)
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To: timer
From 200 BC to 1800 AD is 2000 years between this ancient computer and Charles Babbage and his mechanical computer.

There was about a millenium when they trying to get technology restarted. It was called "The BlueScreen Ages."

66 posted on 11/29/2006 1:21:06 PM PST by Erasmus (Go to Sebastopol and Crimea River.)
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To: Toddsterpatriot

DOH!


67 posted on 11/29/2006 1:28:33 PM PST by Married with Children
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To: jdm

Actually, the geeks at slashdot have linux running on this thing.


68 posted on 11/29/2006 1:31:33 PM PST by Petronski (BRABANTIO: Thou art a villain. IAGO: You are--a senator. ---Othello I.i.)
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To: -YYZ-; Leftism is Mentally Deranged

It would be vastly preferrable for science to, as appropriate, pose its findings in a fashion which communicates the sense that "this is the best we can tell, right now, given what we presently believe that we know"; to have ideas framed less conclusively, with an implicit openness to further illumination by future discovery; less pretention and more of the honest intellectual grace that unabashedly admits, frankly, "we do not know with absolute certainty" whenever such is the case.

Of course, for such established things as F=ma, one may certainly speak with absolute authority backed by the force of uncontrovortable fact. But, in any scientific quarter where further revelation is probably to be of sustantive impact -- with the potential to radically alter the face of what we now believe that we know -- one ought eschew verbiage that pretends to such ironbound authority.

The future remains an open door; we ought speak of it as such.


69 posted on 11/29/2006 1:32:07 PM PST by HKMk23 (PRO-LIFE: Because a Person's a Person, no matter how small.)
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To: Red Badger

"Maybe It was invented by Steveus Jobbus........"

Which means there are copies out there by Stephano Gatus.


70 posted on 11/29/2006 1:35:22 PM PST by TET1968 (SI MINOR PLUS EST ERGO NIHIL SUNT OMNIA)
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To: TET1968

or would that be William the Gatus ?


71 posted on 11/29/2006 1:36:51 PM PST by TET1968 (SI MINOR PLUS EST ERGO NIHIL SUNT OMNIA)
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To: Alter Kaker
It doesn't surprise me that ancient civilizations may have had a lot more knowledge than we might suspect. The great pyramids at Giza are proof that the ancient Egyptians had extensive knowledge of engineering, construction, and mathematical principles.

A significant amount of knowledge was lost to antiquity with events like the Islamic conquests and the Dark Ages.

72 posted on 11/29/2006 1:41:33 PM PST by jpl (Victorious warriors win first, then go to war; defeated warriors go to war first, then seek to win.)
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To: Alter Kaker
Wow.

Al Gore, you magnificent bastard!

73 posted on 11/29/2006 1:43:57 PM PST by freedomson (Tagline comment removed by moderator)
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To: Alter Kaker

The Antikythera device also has a differential gear mechanism. Very sophisticated engineering.


74 posted on 11/29/2006 1:45:21 PM PST by Prince Charles
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To: Alter Kaker

Read Canticle for Liebowitz.....


75 posted on 11/29/2006 1:46:58 PM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: Paloma_55

Maybe it was the control mechanism for an aeolipile.


76 posted on 11/29/2006 1:47:39 PM PST by docbnj
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To: Junior
What's so special about this that suddenly it's back in the news?

Bush is going to Jordan to try and get the Iraq situation on the right track

That would be important good news, but goond news isn't reported.

77 posted on 11/29/2006 1:48:41 PM PST by Popman ("What I was doing wasn't living, it was dying. I really think God had better plans for me.")
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To: docbnj

Maybe this was the prototype, and when it failed to make it to its intended destination, plans were scrapped for going into mass production.


78 posted on 11/29/2006 1:51:03 PM PST by docbnj
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To: Wonder Warthog
Actually, all the inventing was done by Steveus Wozniakus---

But it won't take long for credit to be claimed by Al Gore..aka Glutius Maximus

79 posted on 11/29/2006 1:55:46 PM PST by Bobalu (This is not the tag line you are looking for.....move along (waves hand))
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To: Red Badger

Wonder what programing was like in base Roman numerals.


80 posted on 11/29/2006 1:57:17 PM PST by Kozak (Anti Shahada: " There is no God named Allah, and Muhammed is his False Prophet")
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