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Parents, ACLU want apology over T-shirts
Potomac News ^ | Tuesday, April 4, 2006 | DANIEL GILBERT

Posted on 04/04/2006 6:30:28 AM PDT by chambley1

Anderson Urrutia, 8, complained of a headache on Sunday night. Then his tummy started hurting. At 2:15 a.m., he walked into his parents' bedroom and asked if he had to go to school. "I don't want to get in trouble again," he told his mother.

Anderson, a second-grader at Occoquan Elementary School, went to school on Monday with 5-year-old kindergartner Joseph Soriano after the two were not allowed to attend class Friday for wearing T-shirts that were deemed potentially disruptive by the principal.

Printed in large blue letters with red trim, the T-shirts stated in Spanish "Latino Forever" on the front and "100% Latino" on the back.

The incident -- which touched off a flurry of media attention and sparked a complaint from the American Civil Liberties Union -- is being brushed off by Prince William County schools officials.

Side-stepping interview requests from media, Phil Kavits, the school system's spokesperson, maintains that Friday's incident was a case of "a principal's best effort to keep his school safe and orderly, and nothing more."

The ACLU contends that the principal overstepped his bounds to limit the students' freedom of expression, and is asking for an apology to both students and parents.

The parents say it is too late for an apology.

Maria Urrutia and her daughter Carmen Soriano accompanied their sons to school Monday and had a brief interaction with Occoquan's principal, Todd Erickson.

"He was like, 'How're you doing guys?' " Maria said.

It wasn't the response she and Carmen had hoped for.

"I don't feel I should have to ask for an apology," Carmen said. "As an adult you know when you cross the line, you know when you should apologize, and he hasn't."

Maria and Carmen were contacted Friday afternoon and asked to come to Occoquan to speak with Erickson. When they arrived, they found their sons eating lunch on the floor of the main office, and no sign of the handmade T-shirts.

"They were buttoned all the way up to the top," Maria said. "You couldn't even know if they had a T-shirt underneath or not, that's how covered up these kids were."

Kavits heard a different account from Erickson, who said that the second shirts "didn't even button up, and left the whole thing visible."

Maria and Carmen said Erickson wanted the students to remove the T-shirts. That's when they took their sons home.

Three days after the event, Maria and Carmen are still smoldering over what they see as an unwarranted punishment of their children.

Maria worries about the lessons her son might learn from the event.

"If I stay quiet, what is that saying to my child?" she said. "That they can treat him like a dog and not apologize."

MORE THAN T-SHIRTS?

Friday's incident took place in the midst of a week of student protests against harsh anti-illegal immigration legislation pending in the Senate, an outburst of student political activism that ACLU Executive Director Kent Willis says is unprecedented in his experience.

"I don't recall anything like this on this scale in Virginia," said Willis, who has worked with ACLU in the state since 1987.

A Prince William County schools media release on Monday pointed out the danger lurking in such protests, referring to a student protest in Springfield when a student was stabbed.

Despite concerns for student safety, Willis says Erickson's preemptive action -- which the Occoquan principal made in part out of a concern that some of his students might join the protests -- does not meet the judicial criteria for such a decision.

First amendment rights are protected in schools unless it is demonstrated that an action will "materially and substantially" disrupt the learning environment, according to Tinker v. Des Moines Independent Community School District (1969).

In that case, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that a student who wore a black armband to protest the war in Vietnam was protected under First Amendment rights.

Willis acknowledged that the school officials have some leeway in making a decision where there is a strong basis to prevent freedom of speech.

For example, a "blatantly racist remark" on a T-shirt in an integrated high school where fights had broken out in previous cases might warrant preemptive action, he said.

What is unusual about the Occoquan case, Willis says, is the age of the students.

"These kinds of cases almost always develop in high schools and sometimes middle schools, where kids are educated enough to develop opinions on social issues and want to express them," he said.

THE AFTERMATH

Occoquan has yet to respond to the ACLU's request for an apology and a statement affirming the protection of students' free speech. Maria and Carmen have not decided on a course of action, but they've made an appointment with a lawyer. Meanwhile, Anderson and Joseph continue to attend school.

When she picked up Anderson at school Monday, Maria asked her son how his day was.

"OK," the second-grader said. "I had a headache all day long."


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Virginia
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To: robertpaulsen
Call it what you want, I haven't changed my position. A "dress code" which specifies a "school uniform" is, to me, the preferred solution to this problem. Students should be in school to receive an education, not to be trendy or make statements—but keep in mind, that's only my opinion. It's up to the parents that elect each school district to decide for themselves how their "public" schools should be operated. (At least, in theory.)

And I would only think that arbitrarily-imposed rules (i.e., rules which leave subjective decisions to be made to the administrators—"clothing which is offensive," in other words) would constitute a "zero-tolerance" policy. School uniforms, to me, wouldn't fall into that category, as they would be enforced equally, without selectivity.

My point remains that the "rules" making up the "dress code" should be fair—EITHER they should allow any speech on clothing, OR they should be defined so narrowly that no speech is permitted on clothing (at which point they essentially become the "dress code" defining a "school uniform.") Does that make sense?

81 posted on 04/04/2006 1:53:53 PM PDT by detsaoT (Proudly not "dumb as a journalist.")
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To: tumblindice
Do you think a child should be allowed to wear a t-shirt with the confederate flag displayed, front and back, professor?

Was this article about CBFs? No!

82 posted on 04/04/2006 1:56:18 PM PDT by stainlessbanner
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To: chambley1

bump


83 posted on 04/04/2006 2:09:27 PM PDT by lowbridge (I want to die peacefully in my sleep like my grandfather. Not screaming, like his passengers.)
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To: chambley1; 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 3pools; 3rdcanyon; 4Freedom; 4ourprogeny; ...


Anti-American Communist Lawyers Union Ping!

And in the case of the kid in Arizona...well...the silence speaks volumes.

84 posted on 04/04/2006 7:53:41 PM PDT by HiJinx (~ www.proudpatriots.org ~ Serving Those Who Serve Us ~ Operation Easter/Passover ~)
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To: speed_addiction

BTTT.....


85 posted on 04/04/2006 7:59:03 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. ©)
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To: chambley1

When I read things like this, an old saying comes to mind... give them an inch, and they take a mile.


86 posted on 04/04/2006 8:10:33 PM PDT by janetgreen (The White House fiddles while America is invaded)
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To: zook

Maybe looking out for her child would be to teach him how very lucky he is to be in America and that assimilating and not seeing himself as 100% Latino is in his best interest.
susie


87 posted on 04/04/2006 8:41:34 PM PDT by brytlea (amnesty--an act of clemency by an authority by which pardon is granted esp. to a group of individual)
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To: HiJinx

I have an idea for a T-Shirt:

Active Communist Luicrous Union


88 posted on 04/04/2006 9:31:08 PM PDT by JustPiper (Illegals are NOT being denied Civil Rights...That is for U.S. Civil-ians Fool !)
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To: chambley1

IMO, Carmen and Maria used their young sons to race bait. Their interactions with the principal were antagonistic at best. Shame on you Carmen. Shame on you Maria.


89 posted on 04/04/2006 9:31:45 PM PDT by afnamvet (Enforcement First!)
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To: chambley1

WHERE was the ACLU in Colorado whne Herr Stupf banned the AMERICAN FLAG???


Oh I wish it were a century and a half ago. The ACLU offices would have then been visited by vigilantes with nooses back then.

Today they are given a forum in our corrupt courts.


90 posted on 04/05/2006 3:33:36 AM PDT by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis, Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: RexBeach

If the little dirtbag wanted to wear that shirt, he has every right to do so.

But students in Colorado who want to wear the American flag should have the same right.

As for dumb shirts that say Kiss me I'm Irish, or 100% Italian, or 100 % Latino, they're stupid and un-American.

I'm 100 % American and proud of it, regardless of where my ancestors came from. Like Teddy Roosevelt said, you can't be American and be anything else.

And while they're at it, they should stop this "dual citizenship" crap too.

A man can't serve two masters.


91 posted on 04/05/2006 3:37:57 AM PDT by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis, Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: chambley1
In Royse City Tx a high school student was suspended for having the American flag flying from his antenna on his truck and draped over his tailgate. The Principle had banned flags, all flags, at the school during the recent uproar. She claimed the boy wasn't being patriotic but was trying to start trouble and was suspended "for his own safety". He was told the flag was meant to cause offense to the Hispanic students. His dad was on the news asking "since when is the American flag offensive when flown in America?" The teenager simply said "these people come here to live and they should respect our flag and laws".

My brother and many friends graduated from that little high school and were furious. My buddy who runs a small landscaping design company was mowing a lawn across the street from the school when Fox was interviewing the dad. When I called to ask him what the hell was going on in Royse City, he hadn't heard about it but mentioned he was mowing across from the school when the news was there. "Doing the job Americans won't do? I asked. " Yeah no shit" he replied.

His dad was once mayor of the town so it will be interesting how this shakes out.

92 posted on 04/05/2006 4:04:31 AM PDT by normy (Don't hit at all if it is honorably possible to avoid hitting; but never hit soft.)
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To: chambley1
Poor Urrutia. That whiny kid has the makings of an adult with a sense of entitlement. And, of course, the ACLU is involve - no cause is too little or too demented if it sticks to the USA, religion, or character building.

In any case, schools should just have a dress code - no T-shirts. It would avoid a lot of unnecessary distractions and hassles.

93 posted on 04/05/2006 4:14:11 AM PDT by Dante3
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To: brytlea

"Maybe looking out for her child would be to teach him..."

Maybe, but that's your opinion. In America, immigrant groups have always had the right to express ethnic pride. And to do so without being called nasty names. (Not by you, but others here.)


94 posted on 04/05/2006 5:25:22 AM PDT by zook
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To: ShutUpandSing
These two women USED their children as walking posters for their political points of view. I hope they get smacked down in court if it goes that far.

Precisely. The kids get in trouble after the women set them up, and then the women cry "foul!"

There is something foul here, alright. the kids go through all the crap and stress (literally worried sick!) and the wimmyn go looking for payday.

Grrrrrrr!

95 posted on 04/05/2006 5:35:13 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: speed_addiction
Wah Jeez, dere's a problem wit dat don' cha know . . .

96 posted on 04/05/2006 6:31:53 AM PDT by BraveMan
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To: zook

So, what's your opinion? Better to use your child as a tool to further your agenda, or to teach him how to have a better life?
susie


97 posted on 04/05/2006 9:16:10 AM PDT by brytlea (amnesty--an act of clemency by an authority by which pardon is granted esp. to a group of individual)
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To: HiJinx
Protect our borders and coastlines from all foreign invaders!

Support our Minutemen Patriots!

Be Ever Vigilant!


98 posted on 04/05/2006 9:42:59 AM PDT by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: chambley1
Anderson Urrutia, 8, complained of a headache on Sunday night. Then his tummy started hurting. At 2:15 a.m., he walked into his parents' bedroom and asked if he had to go to school. "I don't want to get in trouble again," he told his mother. Anderson, a second-grader at Occoquan Elementary School, went to school on Monday with 5-year-old kindergartner Joseph Soriano

I am guessing that it wasn't the 5-year-old and the 8-year-old who made those "hand-made" t-shirts. The parents apparently have no qualms about causing this kind of mental anguish to their kids just so they can use them as political pawns. "Social services" should look into taking the kids away from these sick scumbags.

99 posted on 04/05/2006 9:52:02 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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