Making Islam illegal -- is it the West's only choice?

Renew America ^ | 2/19/2006 | Warner Todd Huston

[USF]

LOL!!! Love it.

Lemme know when the next show starts will ya...

[ArmyTeach]

What we can do is get off the PC road to nowhere and hold Muslims in American accountable. There are laws against hate speech. Use those laws against them at every opportunity. There are laws against calling for the overthrow of our government - for example "Death to America." Nail them. If they advocate the death of the President, the FBI should be all over them. There are laws against inciting to violence. Close down every mosque where violence is preached. Instead of treating them with kid gloves, bring the full force of the law against them. If they want to live here they must be made to understand that they are expected to be good citizens.

[mysterio]

I did answer the question. The KKK is not banned.

If you want to ban Islam, change the first Amendment. Declare Islam "hate speech," after you have changed the first Amendment to ban "hate speech." And then don't complain when Hillary! goes after certain Christian churches and declares this site "hate speech." If you want to empower government to ridiculous extremes, don't complain when it turns around and bites you in the posterior. And certainly don't call yourself a conservative, because conservatives do not want to empower government to ridiculous extremes.

[Nova]

Sounds Great.

[RHINO369]

All you facists are pretty stupid. The solution is simple, don't let anyone inside the United States. Shut off all immigration, ALL of it. They can't get to us if they aren't here. The muslims here aren't a problem, and you can use the fact that in four years since 9-11 not one terrorist attack has happened on US soil.

BTW why do you deem Islam a crazy cult, when most of you accept the bible as the final truth. Except the bible is full of falsehoods, and contradictions. Two different Gospels tell different cities of christs birth, the bible claims one man and his wife put two of every species onto a boat to save the world from God. It says the world is 4000 years old, when its more like 4 billion, it says all mankind is spawned by Adam and Eve, when we were really a group of mutants from Africa. All religions seem pretty crazy when your looking outside in.

Plus our rights in the constition are natural rights that no man can take away. And any man who tries to take away our natural rights, is himself a tyrant and deserves death himself. So instead of preaching brainwashing, deportation, and genocide, try telling your President to do his job and close our borders, and close immigration to groups who don't mix well with American culture.

[Myrddin]

We do have an option. We can concede the superiority of Islam and "assume the position" of dhimmitude.

Sure you can. Do you prefer having the knife pulled left to right across your neck or the other way? Perhaps a good, old fashioned stoning in the public square. Doing your civic duty to hurl a rock or stop one with your head is such an admirable trait. Getting bombed at the bar takes on a whole new meaning.

[Myrddin]

So the solution is therefore?

I offered an explanation for the behavior. The same behavior that prevents muslims from speaking against Islam also prevents making any headway in dissuading them from practicing Islam. They are no longer free to choose without the threat of execution.

Patrick Henry once said, "Give me liberty, or give me death". If we want liberty, we will have to fight for it. Giving in to Islam means death or slavery. Have a look at Sudan for a current example.

[null and void]

I'm trolling for answers. I'm pretty clear on the problem already...

[griffin]

"the meanest, cruelest, lewdest, most sexually deviant, most dishonest, most damaging people I've ever known were 'Christian' (yeah, yeah, I know they weren't really)....but hey...."

I am really very sorry to read this. Hang in there...don't let the enemy win najida. God still loves ya...He's borning ya again hard. Even though we disagree on this thread, i read your page and think your a-ok. Take it ez freeper! :)

[Captainpaintball]

I am SICK of Islam. Is that OK to say?

You know what? I don't give a crap if it's NOT OK to say! I'm SICK of Islam!

Excuse me, as I go make a sculpture of Mohammed out of Great Dane doggy-doo.

[Captainpaintball]

Because in this country, It is my RIGHT to do so!

[null and void]

Well, then, don't hold back. Tell us how you really feel!

[ArmyTeach]

I don't know who you are talking to. I agree completely with controlling our borders and controlling immigration. As for the rest - can't see how it had anything to do with what I said. Everything I recommended is currently the law of the land. I just think it should be used. So how is that fascist, or do you understand the meaning of the word?

[Fishrrman]

RatRipper wrote:
Then we need another amendment to make an exception for Islam.

And MineralMan replied:
OK. Contact your Congressman and Senators and tell them to start the process of a Constitutional Amendment. Let me know what they answer.

They will "answer" when one (or more) of our cities lies in smoking ruins.

- John

[JCEccles]

Obviously, it is not an "option" as far as I am concerned. But be sure to read some of the milquetoast Chamberlain-style ditherings by some others posting here in misguided defense of radical Islam on our own shores.

[higgmeister]

I started to tell you that you need to send this to
Neal but then it occurred to me, you may be Neal.

[higgmeister]

I never thought I would see so many otherwise rational people cheerfully ignore the Constitution.

I don't believe it is Cheerfulness.

More like White Hot Fury!

Can you remember the WTC on 9/11?

[Fishrrman]

najida writes:
I'm not saying we're not at War. Don't assume I'm saying otherwise.
I just don't want to see us become as bad as them.

Ultimately, if we are not willing to "become as bad as them", we are going to _lose_ this war.

"Preposterous", you will reply.

We confront an enemy whose front columns slay babies and revel in doing so.

Even the Nazis (the Japanese, less so) respected some provisions of the Geneva Convention during the Second World War (at least regarding prisoners of war).

But the Islamics will respect nothing "of the West", and will stop at nothing to win. They will wage a totally uncivilized war (as much as war itself can be "civilized", something of an anamoly) against us.

One cannot play a life-or-death struggle with one's opponent "by the rules" if the opponent will not abide by the same rules as you.

Thus, we face a conflict in which our own self-imposed rules could be our undoing.

As grim as it seems, to win we may ultimately be forced out of necessity to abandon (from our side) dearly-held notions and precepts about the nature of our enemy and the war we must wage against it.

We may _need to_ "become as bad as them", in order to DEFEAT them, because there will be no other choice. I wish I could be more optimistic, but I am not.

If we have to kill 10,000 of them "to win", is it worth it?
If we have to kill 100,000 of them "to win", is it worth it?
If we have to kill 1,000,000 of them "to win", is it worth it?
If we have to kill 100,000,000 of them "to win", is it still worth it?

If it IS NOT worth doing what we must to win, we will LOSE. Is THAT worth it?

- John

[higgmeister]

Right now it doesn't seem as if there are any vocal, moderate Muslims, but all that I know personally are very pro-America.

To your face, yet they pray to Allah to destroy all who
will not submit.

We need to find out why

Because they lie for their beliefs.

and help them fix the silence

Why did the image of Bill Murray just pop into my
head as he smiles and hugs Abdul and says "come
on Abdul, you can tell me." [grin] "Come on, you know
you can talk to me."

while we track the murdering, sadistic thugs who kill in their name.

yet help them achieve everything they ever wished for.

The Socialist isn't a Communist because he knows
America can be taken over without a revolution.

An Islamist knows he doesn't have to kill nonbelievers
because someone else's son will do it for him, Bismillah.

[Ragnar54]

How many acts of terror might that unleash, not just in the US ...

As the Danes have shown, provocation is the best way to force the Muslims to reveal themselves for what they are. Publish some cartoons, arrest (or shoot) the rioters. Publish more cartoons, arrest (or shoot) more rioters. The Imams will have to choose between:

1. Sending the troops (rioters) out in protest
or
2. Ignoring the "insults" at great cost: they will be less able to intimidate the congregation and the neighbors.

If they ever get over the cartoons, find more ways to insult. At the same time, demand that the mosques of the rioters be searched and RICO be applied. Repeating this process (targeting particular mosques or Muslim "holy days" ) will get around the "Islam is a religion" and "most Muslims are Sweet Muslims" arguments. If these provocations are executed during a political season (such as the one approaching), politicians will be forced to choose sides.

The biggest obstacle will be CAIR. It will be necessary to defend freedom of speech against that group.

The movie you are suggesting would not have to be a big budget production. Start with an internet version. Maybe it could be projected on a billboard (or the side of a mosque :).