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Making Islam illegal -- is it the West's only choice?
Renew America ^ | 2/19/2006 | Warner Todd Huston

Posted on 02/20/2006 7:46:11 AM PST by Dark Skies

When President Bush gave his "axis of evil" speech he went out of his way to make the world understand that it isn't a war with Islam itself that we were joining — and I say joining because the war had been started by the Jihadists decades before. And, in observance to our Western principles, that must be the correct way to view our conflagration with radical Islam.

Let's face facts, it certainly is uncomfortable to a Westerner who has been brought up on tolerance, freedom of religion, and liberty to contemplate a war against an entire religion. But are we approaching a time when Western nations won't have a choice but to target Islam itself in certain ways to keep their own people safe. The best course of action is to make public displays of Islam and certain of its practices illegal in Western nations.

So, the question becomes are we at that time now? Are we fast approaching a time when Mosques will be closed and banned? Have we come to a time when Islamic literature is turned away from our borders? Have the childish and dangerous reactions of Muslims to this cartoon in a Danish newspaper proven that Islam cannot be trusted to be a vital, peaceful, and law-abiding segment of society?

It is looking like yes is the answer to these queries.

We are already approaching this today. In Ontario they have officially outlawed Muslim Sharia law, that law that uses religious precepts to enforce moral and society codes of conduct. And Muslim "family councils" have been stopped where local community groups may supplement Canadian law with their local custom.

Several members of the John Howard administration in Australia have spoken out against Islamic clashes with Western notions of law and societal comportment many times over the last few years.

Recently Howard himself said, "I do think there is this particular complication because there is a fragment which is utterly antagonistic to our kind of society, and that is a difficulty ... You can't find any equivalent in Italian, or Greek, or Lebanese, or Chinese or Baltic immigration to Australia. There is no equivalent of raving on about jihad, but that is the major problem."

Muslims routinely destroy property, threaten death and bodily harm to those who speak out against them, and they constantly fund terrorism throughout the world. In Syria they have burnt an embassy, in Europe Muslims have been responsible for murdering people who have written out against Islam or made movies, and other forms of art. These actions are also approved by Islamic teachers (Imams) and religious leaders, not just undertaken by warped loners claiming to represent Islam quite against the will of the majority or authority.

With this ridiculous cartoon issue, we have seen that Islam has no sense of perspective. In the west parody or satire is seen as not only common, but completely harmless for the most part. And religion is not immune to parody and satire, though even in the west most people are often uncomfortable with religious satire. Usually only people filled with hate attack religion in parody and most in the West instinctively know this. As a result, most people dismiss such parody as foolishness and bad taste.

But with Muslims overreacting — in western eyes at least — to this silly cartoon issue in the way they have, it becomes nearly impossible for Westerners to view Islam as a peaceful religion, but more as a vicious hate group itself. And that perception is justified with the actions that Muslims have increasingly perpetrated over the ensuing years. So, we find that Islam presents a danger to the safety of the populace all too often. It is violent, oppressive, and reactionary.

But, what is to be done about it? We have been raised to feel that religion should be left untouched by government. Freedom of religion is at the very core of our beliefs. And this concept is an important one to uphold. So, how can we honestly and without hypocrisy begin to look toward making Islam illegal?

There is a parallel of sorts in the USA that might be used as a template for action. The Ku klux Klan.

After the Civil War ended, the KKK arose from the ashes of war as an advocacy group for the disenfranchised white voter in the south. But it quickly became a terrorist organization bent on taking out revenge on the south's newly freed black population for having lost the war. It got so bad that even one of the original organizers, C.S. Cavalry General Nathan Bedford Forrest, denounced the organization and quit it in disgust.

But as the late 1800s rolled on and the south began to re-enter the Union as full partners in government, the KKK began to lose steam and prominence. For a time it subsided. But as the 20th century neared, it re-emerged and this time became a nationwide and powerful force taking on the flavor of religious, civic and racial duty. The KKK became invested in government and claimed millions of members nation wide.

In the 1920s, however, it became too much for a liberty loving country to allow the KKK to any longer exist. In Indiana, the entire state government was scandalized by their fealty to Indiana's Klan leader who had raped and beaten his secretary on a train trip. Violence against and frequent lynching of southern blacks became so pervasive that Congress finally acted and banned the Klan. The organization collapsed never again to reclaim the power and prominence it once had.

Now, the KKK has always based its precepts on Christianity, as well as racial identity. It also reacted with violence, rallies, death threats and killing when it was threatened. It careened far away from being a mere "idea" or religious theology and became a terrorist organization. And it became a terrorist organization even though literally millions of Americans that belonged to or identified with the Klan were not themselves violent, evil, or dangerous citizens.

The leadership of the Klan supported violence. The leadership preached violence. The leadership planned and fomented it. Therefore, it had to go because it became a danger to every law-abiding citizen, whether they agreed with the racial and religious concepts the Klan espoused or not.

Islam has become the KKK of the 21st century. The sooner we awake to this truth and take steps to ban the religion, or somehow curtail its pernicious influence the better. The west is going to have to put sever restrictions on Islamic Mosques and public display of Islam. Further, devout Muslims should not be allowed to hold public office (though it certainly should not become a racial issue — sins of the father should not be visited upon the sons).

This is no religious purge as in centuries past. In the past religions were banned to be replaced by the state sponsored sect and believers of the banned religion were mistreated, tortured, unduly taxed, and terrorized. This is absolutely not the model the west would follow by banning aspects of Islam today. No religion is replacing Islam and no one is suggesting that Muslims be mistreated. But the creed to which they hold is fast becoming the most dangerous one in the world today. It is a fine line that we walk to consider banning Islam, but the safety of society is at risk not to do so.

This is not an easy conclusion at which to arrive. But if we continue to turn a blind eye to the danger that Islam presents to the west, we are signing our own death warrants.

The KKK was put down in the USA and made powerless for the same reason. Communism was destroyed for the same reason, as well. Islam is a danger to the world.

Unfortunately, it is just that simple.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: islam; muslim; sharia; wot; yes
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1 posted on 02/20/2006 7:46:13 AM PST by Dark Skies
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To: Dark Skies

Yes...


2 posted on 02/20/2006 7:46:50 AM PST by observer5 ("Better violate the rights of a few, than of all!)
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To: Dark Skies

The First Amendment prohibits this.


3 posted on 02/20/2006 7:48:46 AM PST by mysterio
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To: Dark Skies

No comment, in order to not be banned.


4 posted on 02/20/2006 7:48:50 AM PST by exnavy (God bless America)
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To: observer5

Sometimes this site is scary, I was all set to add a one word comment, but now it would be exactly the same as yours. So now I will just say "OF COURSE".


5 posted on 02/20/2006 7:48:57 AM PST by jeremiah (The biggest threat to Americas survival today, meth usage.)
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To: observer5

Yes!


6 posted on 02/20/2006 7:49:00 AM PST by Arpege92 ("Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." Thomas Mann)
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To: Dark Skies
Making Islam "illegal" is unworkable and an affront to western ideals.

We do, however, need to eradicate aggressive Islam and aggressive Islamists and that may be a very many people.

Whoever's left will be convinced that the submission of Islam means submission to the West.
7 posted on 02/20/2006 7:49:05 AM PST by BenLurkin (O beautiful for patriot dream - that sees beyond the years)
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To: mysterio

If you call a terrorist death cult a religion, it does indeed.


8 posted on 02/20/2006 7:50:35 AM PST by anton
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To: Dark Skies
And religion is not immune to parody and satire, though even in the west most people are often uncomfortable with religious satire.

Yeah, but we don't set fire to embassies and shoot people over it.

We've got to quit burying our head in the sand about this. The sooner we realize that this is a war of good v. evil the better off we will be.
9 posted on 02/20/2006 7:50:52 AM PST by JamesP81
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To: Dark Skies

I never thought I would see so many otherwise rational people cheerfully ignore the Constitution.


10 posted on 02/20/2006 7:54:20 AM PST by Wormwood (Iä! Iä! Cthulhu fhtagn!)
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To: Dark Skies

bump


11 posted on 02/20/2006 7:54:35 AM PST by lesser_satan
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To: Dark Skies

The truth, simply put....as usual. We ban Islam or Islam bans us...that is our choice.


12 posted on 02/20/2006 7:55:05 AM PST by fizziwig (Democrats: so far off the path, so incredibly vicious, so sadly pathetic.)
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To: Dark Skies
Of course not. This is the US not communist Russia. Stalin outlawed religion, we cannot ban Islam without taking our Constitution and wiping our a$$ with it. It's bad enough we have to deal with leftist whacko's, we don't need to allow ourselves to be influenced by extremists on our side of the isle either.
13 posted on 02/20/2006 7:55:59 AM PST by stm (It's possible to fix most things, but you can't fix stupid)
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To: Wormwood

Free Republic is a very different place than it was in the 1990s when freepers distrusted the state and upheld individual liberty.


14 posted on 02/20/2006 7:56:34 AM PST by Austin Willard Wright
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To: Wormwood
I never thought I would see so many otherwise rational people cheerfully ignore the Constitution.

At a deeper level, the question still remains..."what do you do with a religion that (in and of itself) inherently violates and teaches it adherents to violate the 1st Amendment to the Constitution.

15 posted on 02/20/2006 7:57:03 AM PST by Dark Skies ("Free speech is THE weapon of choice against islam.")
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To: JamesP81

We can't lose sight of the fact that most Muslims DO NOT endorse terrorism, and are in fact very much against it. Right now it doesn't seem as if there are any vocal, moderate Muslims, but all that I know personally are very pro-America. We need to find out why and help them fix the silence while we track the murdering, sadistic thugs who kill in their name.

We can't ban a religion, we have to track and kill the crazies advocating violence in it's name. The rule of law REQUIRES the free practice of religion in this country, that cannot be changed without undoing most of what this country stands for.


16 posted on 02/20/2006 7:57:03 AM PST by wvobiwan (Sheehan for Senator!)
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To: observer5
The first problem with the west is we designated it a religion, when it is actually a form of government called a Theocracy. If we had called a theocratic regime from the start, IMHO the battle would have been much further along and the enemy clearly identified.

Right now we're playing catchup with a government masquerading as a religion. We are in a very dangerous position as we begin to turn on this dime, the sects that have infiltrated our free world will come out of the woodwork and into the light of day.
17 posted on 02/20/2006 7:57:27 AM PST by EBH (Islam is not a religion and the sooner ya'll understand that the better.)
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To: Dark Skies

Making Islam illegal is Un-Constitutional, and just a bad idea.

However -- U.S. Immigration policy could bar any new entrants from Islamic countries, helping to slow its growth and provide security. In addition -- a sustained U.S. plan to repopulate itself by encouraging births through tax incentives and other perks would also go a long way to providing our own security -- both economically and ideologically.


18 posted on 02/20/2006 7:57:54 AM PST by Iron Eagle
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To: exnavy
No comment, in order to not be banned.

I say criticize the Religion of peace and the other step I can't say -- probably for the same reason as they freeper I'm quoting above.

19 posted on 02/20/2006 7:58:07 AM PST by Stepan12
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To: Dark Skies
Now that I think about it, this article seems semi-pointless to me.

We know that extreme Islam is a threat. However, the acts of savagery those people commit in response to cartoons are already illegal; torching buildings and killing people are not legal activities. Why do we need more laws or ideals or principles? We don't. We need resolve. We need to be able to wage war against terrorists without caving in to accusations of suppressing someone's religion. It's not about law, we've got plenty of that. It's about the willingness to win the war. We're not out to get Islam; we're out to get people who torch buildings, commit terrorist acts, and kill people, for whatever reason.
20 posted on 02/20/2006 7:59:37 AM PST by JamesP81
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