Posted on 12/28/2005 4:01:34 PM PST by SuzyQue
Did Early Humans First Arise in Asia, Not Africa?
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They believe that early-human fossil discoveries over the past ten years suggest very different conclusions about where humans, or humanlike beings, first walked the Earth.
New Asian finds are significant, they say, especially the 1.75 million-year-old small-brained early-human fossils found in Dmanisi, Georgia, and the 18,000-year-old "hobbit" fossils (Homo floresiensis) discovered on the island of Flores in Indonesia.
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"What seems reasonably clear now," Dennell said, "is that the earliest hominins in Asia did not need large brains or bodies." These attributes are usually thought to be prerequisites for migration.
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/12/1227_051227_asia_migration.html
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I never know what to do with threads like this. I'll just ping a few.
Jesse and Al aren't gonna like this...
Let me give them a clue. Where was the Garden of Eden?
Dumb question - what is the place marker for?
Peking Man??? Asia unlike africa is closed so there's been virtually no exploration done in the last 75 years... time will tell
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GGG ping
Let me give them a clue. Where was the Garden of Eden?
Probably at the bottom of what is now the Black Sea if you think that helps.
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Not dumb at all.
This is a subject I am very interested in, so I leave a placemarker. Then when I go to my ping list, the placemarker shows up as my most recent ping, and the number of posts made by others are also shown. I can revisit the thread periodically to review those posts.
This is especially handy when there are several interesting threads at the same time and I am trying to get some work done as well.
At the confluence of the Pishon, Gihon, Tigris, and Euphrates Rivers, as I recall. And, yes, they are in Asia.
Yep. So why are they even considering Africa?
FYI, since we crossed swords on this issue sometime back. No proof of course but I've long suspected this possibility and I'm keeping an open mind.
The presentation is confusing and I don't see where the case is made.
The hominid progression up to ergaster is still in Africa. As I read this article, two researchers are saying that ergaster, a thing younger and more modern than habilis but slightly older than erectus, could have evolved in Asia from some earlier out-of-Africa migration and spread back the other way into Africa. Except I don't know why you'd think so.
Or maybe they're saying ergaster (found in Africa) migrated out and had become erectus by the time it hit SE Asia. Then it spread back the other way.
The question is how you explain having ergaster in Africa and the only slightly different and later erectus all over the place. Occam's Razor says to keep it simple until you need to get complicated.
No recollection, sorry. If this article agrees with you, what were you saying?
As I recall I suggested the possibility of human origins in Asia, not Africa, in one of these threads. You took rather sharp exception to that, which is why it stuck in my memory. But memory is frail and maybe I have it wrong.
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