Posted on 12/01/2005 10:55:04 AM PST by curiosity
Edited on 12/01/2005 11:11:54 AM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]
The storm-tossed and rudderless Republican Party should particularly ponder the vote last week in Dover, Pa., where all eight members of the school board seeking re-election were defeated. This expressed the community's wholesome exasperation with the board's campaign to insinuate religion, in the guise of "intelligent design'' theory, into high school biology classes, beginning with a required proclamation that evolution "is not a fact.''
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I'll rephrase it--'tarians want the GOP to lose the social conservatism, legalize drugs, legalize prostitution, and get rid of icky Christians with bad haircuts. Then the libertarians will be satisfied, and go out and vote for the Libertarian candidate. Out of principal, of course.
I guess you don't have any shame after all in smearing your fellow freepers. How you could suggest I want to "get rid of Christians" is beyond me.
Oh, puhleeeze. This from the poster who tosses out "fascist" like she's giving away Halloween candy?
Tend to your own house, madam.
Yeah, that'll work :)
I've parted ways with the LP as well, but that isn't the issue. The issue is you smearing people in this thread. I have never called Christians ( or conservative Jews for that matter) "rightwing religious nuts" or anything of the sort. I have never said I want Christians to "go away." Where do you get this crap?
The point to posting the Goldwater quote was not to say faith has no place in the public arena, only that some things people do in the name of faith is unwise. The creationism issue is a perfect example of this. In this modern era, educated people will never accept the Bible as *science* but this does not mean educated people don't accept the Bible on matters of faith and morality. Advocating the teaching of intelligent design and creation science in biology class does a disservice to both science and faith. I'd say a large majority of people working in the sciences and engineering have religious faith, this includes the field of biology. Most people working in biology have religious faith and understand what evolution says and have no problem reconciling the two. Pushing for the teaching of creation science and intelligent design in biology class is a losing issue. It is also going to hand the left-wing media the ammunition to paint conservatives and Republicans as being anti-science. It is a losing issue.
Furthermore, questioning "evos" as being fake conservatives and implying they don't belong on this site is an awful insult. You ought to be ashamed of saying this sort of thing about your fellow freepers.
Or a font of unusal color...yellow?
I agree, correct.
Would you like supporting data for this fact?
No, I want supporting data whereby technophile ideologues attempt to extrapolate local school board elections into dire predictions of conservative/Republican meltdowns in congressional and national elections.
Got any?
The facts are as follows:
1. ID/creationism has never appeared on any issues list by any polling outfit that I know of.
2. Recent polling destroys your hypothesis because self identified creationists are a healthy majority in this country whereby conservatives are not.
3. Extrapolating local school board results to national and regional elections is bad political science, charlatansville in fact.
4. Kansas is a case in point that destroys that extrapolation. When they threw out their BOE folks the state remained solidly conservative in congressional and state elections.
5. Evolution/ID plays well as a small issue in areas of the country long lost to conservatives/republicans such as the Northeast.
6. In red states creationism/God wins votes, it doesn't lose votes.
7. Your hypothesis is based on wishful thinking, not any objective review of the facts.
Now those are the facts and those facts are the enemy of any hypothesis claiming a belief that God created the universe is a loser for conservatives. Now and for the foreseeable future.
I was clear, that you don't understand that doesn't speak to my writing skills, it speaks to your reading comprehension skills. Atlaw understood perfectly.
You might want to read up on the "No True Scotsman" fallacy first.
When I want advice from you, I'll ask. Don't hold your breath.
Either way, your post has nothing to do with evolution.
LOL, a crime worthy of the gallows I'm sure.
Profound, I'll give it the consideration it's due.
Pshaw!
FYI - little jeremiah won't be around for awhile as his father passed away last night.
Now those are the facts and those facts are the enemy of any hypothesis claiming a belief that God created the universe is a loser for conservatives. Now and for the foreseeable future.
I never made any hypothesis that 'claiming a belief that God created the universe is a loser for conservatives.' And it's dishonest for you to imply I did.
Some of your 'facts' are not facts either.
When I'm having a discussion with someone and they start saying I said something I didn't, and present their own hypothesis and opinions as 'facts', I conclude the discussion is not in good faith and that my further participation is a waste of time.
The desire to be the all-knowing great knower is in many ways a desire to be God.
I noticed in a reply to your post from one of the usual suspects that there is a characterization that all things not defined are miracles, in the mind of a believer, according to him/her/them. The reply was totally backwards...believers are accepting and OK with 'not knowing all the details'...evos are the ones uncomfortable with someone else knowing all the answers, not them, and our inability to understand "everything".
This is the underlying issue.
Unfortunately, too many Republicans are trying to make this a national issue, and it's drowning out matters of national security and national policy.
Exactly. Which is why these threads should be handled totally differently on a forum that states as it's primary objective:
Free Republic is the premier online gathering place for independent, grass-roots conservatism on the web. We're working to roll back decades of governmental largesse, to root out political fraud and corruption, and to champion causes which further conservatism in America.
No, it's constantly calling something a theory when it isn't that riles us up. I can only speak for myself, but I'm more grossed out than scared.
According to standard biology, any ERV, for example, found in both gorillas and chimps will also be found in people. So far, this has always been true.
Also, "if in both cows and whales, then hippos", of "if in both cats and dogs, then bears", and so on and so on.
What does ID have to say? Nothing. The hypothesized designer could do it that way, or could presumably do it any other way as well.
Do you see why scientists aren't impressed with this? ID or CS is in principle incapable of making predictions. There are only two ways around this: either 1) put some restraints on the hypothetical designer's powers or 2) do like Behe et al and admit that there is no evidence of intervention in the last few hu8ndred million years and that ID is only an abiogenesis conjecture, along with panspermia, primordial soup, primordial pizza, and so forth.
There's no shortage of moonbat ideas in public school, that's for sure. And no, creationists weren't the first. "Whole language learning" and "self esteem math" are just two I can think of off the top of my head, but there's a lot more than that.
But I don't discriminate against moonbat ideas. I want to keep all of them out, whether it's creationism or the ones I mentioned above."
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