LIVE THREAD - California special election (props 73, 74, 75, 76, 77, 78, 79, 80)

California Secretary of State- Special Statewide Election ^ | Tuesday evening November 8th

[ajolympian2004]

TODAY, Californians are heading to the polls to vote on several major propositions that shall dramatically affect both the political and economic future of our state.

We are following the activity and will report the results.

California Propositions

2.8% of precincts reporting as of Nov 08 08:13 PM PST

Results: http://www.sfgate.com/election/

[Yaelle]

Which is a good thing!

[SoCalPol]

If they couldn't be bothered to vote, then they weren't the "right" voters at all.

How true. The all or nothing crowd are no different
than the Michael Moore bunch. They are so far bent, they
touch the other side.

[dsmtoday]

Unfortunately, one cannot be a fiscal Conservative and a social Liberal at the same time. Those are mutually-exclusive goals; especially in California.

I'm a libertarian (note the size of the "el") and I live in California. My exposure to normal middle-class people who vote Democrat (I'm talking outside of San Francisco) in this state is mostly that they are completely opposed to Conservative social goals. They all hate high taxes and mispending, but are more afraid of the "religious right" boogeyman. Prop 13 is still very popular out here, as you might expect with the high home prices.

The Rep Party in this state is completely incompetent. For example, instead of embracing Arnold, they still ran McClintock who siphoned off enough Republican votes to potentially scuttle the deal if there hadn't been enough traditional Democrats voting for Arnold. The RP in this state is hung up on principle. What good is principle when you are getting your clock cleaned 24/7 by the Dems? Go have a look at the Libertarian website. They are "The Party of Principle". They are also the party of irrelevance, now down to half their membership since W took office. Well, the RP in California finds themselves in the same tough spot. When you have the votes, you can have principle. Get the votes first, and do it on one thing even Democrats agree upon - the Dems have been in power too long and cannot be trusted with the purse strings.

[Arizona Carolyn]

BTW... the seal was taken down because of the ACLU and the city was known as the City of Churches and the people say they want the seal back... ACLU has said they will sue if the prop passes.... because they have never been beaten ~LOL~

[avant_garde]

I haven't heard. I hope it was overwhelming passed! Time to take a stand instead of appeasing.

[AndyTheBear]

If a young girl is being raped over and over again, and keeps getting abortions, who'll stop the rapist? No one will even know he exists! Voting against 73 is a "Yes" vote for rapists and pedophiles.

Ironic example. I've noticed with only slight changes all the arguments for making abortion legal could be used to make rape legal:

Coat hanger argument: Its safer to both the consenting and non consenting adult, being that the former would be less tempted to kill the latter. Thus making the later safer.

Reproductive rights argument: Some individuals are inherently so unattractive that their reproductive rights would be too severely restricted by the requirement to find a consenting partner.

Privacy rights argument: Being that both the consenting and non consenting adults are often reluctant to make such an event public, it seems an odious intrusion for the government to get involved. Keep the police out of the bedroom.

Disclaimer: All these arguments are invalid. Both rape and abortion are both evil and wrong.

[Prime Choice]

Yep. You go anywhere else in the state besides San Francisco?

Only been to SFO once. Never again.

As for the "conservative areas," what is their major malfunction that they're so "conservative," but can't be bothered to vote for conservative issues? Answer me that one.

[conservative in nyc]

I don't know which measure it is, so I'll post all the results:

City of Redlands - Measure P
34/37 91.89%
Vote Count Percent
NO 9,838 62.57%
YES 5,885 37.43%
Total 15,723 100.00%

City of Redlands - Measure Q
34/37 91.89%
Vote Count Percent
NO 9,393 59.37%
YES 6,428 40.63%
Total 15,821 100.00%

City of Redlands - Measure R
34/37 91.89%
Vote Count Percent
NO 9,212 58.59%
YES 6,512 41.41%
Total 15,724 100.00%

City of San Bernardino - Measure S
77/113 68.14%
Vote Count Percent
YES 12,063 55.29%
NO 9,755 44.71%
Total 21,818 100.00%
http://www.co.san-bernardino.ca.us/rov/current_elections/110805/default.asp?ElectionID=92&Election=110805

[HitmanLV]

I'm with you there! ;-)

[who_would_fardels_bear]

"just east of LA"

Anyone who knows anything about LA traffic, knows that there is nothing just east of LA! ;-)

[California Patriot]

I don't blame you, but it's only a temporary solution.
Sooner or later, the illegals will swamp you. California is the nation's future, Carolyn.

[Uncle Kermie]

Redlands is Riverside County.

Face it folks, we're doomed. 75 at 49.5% with counties that I hoped would help not helping (i.e. San Berdu and Riverside).

[NormsRevenge]

can we at least drag Warren Buffett thru the aisles and kick him a few times? ;-)

[Yaelle]

Check out the OC (Orange county). In the 60s for all the good props. Still, LA and SF are so populous...

[1stFreedom]

looks bad.. now you know why I left KommieFornia

[conservative in nyc]

Looks like all Measures in Redlands failed.

[who_would_fardels_bear]

"the illegals will swamp you"

That will never happen. Because before it does we will be part of the Great State of Mexico!

[Crackingham]

My mistake on where Redlands is. Misread the map.

[bybybill]

You get it. Rush tells a story about Cranston`s last election. The R`s nominated a Congressman Swaw ( I can`t remember his name, sorry) that wasn`t PROLIFE. The hard right stayed home, Cranston won, he helped destroy Bork, and was a member of the Keating five. We stuck to our guns and the Rats won another election.
Please stop and think before you go public giving ammo to our enemies.
Support GWB and Arnold