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Evidence of Swimming Dinosaur Found
AP - Science ^ | 2005-10-18 | BOB MOEN

Posted on 10/18/2005 7:19:16 AM PDT by Junior

CHEYENNE, Wyo. - Researchers have found tracks of a previously unknown, two-legged swimming dinosaur with birdlike characteristics in northern Wyoming and are looking for bones and other remains in order further identify and name it.

"It was about the size of an ostrich, and it was a meat-eater," said Debra Mickelson, a University of Colorado graduate student in geological sciences. "The tracks suggest it waded along the shoreline and swam offshore, perhaps to feed on fish or carrion."

The tracks indicate a dinosaur that was about 6 feet tall and lived about 165 million years ago along an ancient inland sea, Mickelson said in a university news release.

"The swimming dinosaur had four limbs and it walked on its hind legs, which each had three toes," she said. "The tracks show how it became more buoyant as it waded into deeper water — the full footprints gradually become half-footprints and then only claw marks."

Mickelson said research so far by herself and others supports the "conclusion that the dinosaurs were intentionally swimming out to sea, perhaps to feed."

Mickelson was presenting her findings at the Geological Society of America's annual meeting this week in Salt Lake City and was unavailable for comment.

The finding would be significant because so far no one has been able to prove that aquatic dinosaurs existed, Joanna Wright, assistant professor of geology at the University of Colorado-Denver, said Monday. There were swimming reptiles that are now extinct, Wright said.

Wright said she has not reviewed what Mickelson and other researchers involved have found, but she would be interested in seeing photos of the tracks.

The news has perked up the ears of some prominent paleontologists.

"I'm not a trackway specialist, but it sounds pretty cool to me," Jack Horner, curator of paleontology at the Museum of the Rockies and one of the nation's leading fossil hunters, said by telephone from Bozeman, Mont.

Horner said he was unaware of any previously discovered dinosaur tracks "where it actually goes from land into the water."

The unique tracks were found at a number of sites in northern Wyoming, including the Bighorn Canyon National Recreation Area along the Wyoming-Montana state line.

The tracks are embedded in a layer of rock known as the Middle Jurassic Bajocian Gypsum Spring Formation. Geologists believe an inland sea covered Wyoming and a large area of the western United States during the Jurassic period from about 157 million to 165 million years ago.

Mickelson said the unidentified dinosaur tracks are found among tracks left by many animals, including ancient crocodiles and marine worms, and are of different sizes.

The tracks suggest that the dinosaur traveled in packs and exhibited some variation in overall size, she said.

Mickelson collaborated her findings with researchers from CU-Boulder, Indiana University, Dartmouth College, Tennessee Technological University and the University of Massachusetts.


TOPICS: Miscellaneous; US: Wyoming; Unclassified
KEYWORDS: archaeology; crevolist; dinosaur; ggg; godsgravesglyphs; history; paleontology
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To: kjam22
I'm going home to look for my Peter Paul and Mary cd.

Ah, geeze. You call yourself a freeper and you actually own fake-folk, commie-pop crap like PP&M? (Okay, I admit I didn't burn my Dixie Chicks CDs either. But they're actually good if you ignore the yammerings of the short, fat one.)

221 posted on 10/18/2005 7:57:01 PM PDT by Stultis
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To: beaver fever
On land claw prints are an indication of a chase.

So, how does a carnivore get around when he's not chasing something? Hint: reptile and bird claws do not retract.

222 posted on 10/19/2005 3:13:14 AM PDT by Junior (From now on, I'll stick to science, and leave the hunting alien mutants to the experts!)
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To: Junior

" So, how does a carnivore get around when he's not chasing something? Hint: reptile and bird claws do not retract."

What I meant was if you were following animal tracks that showed pad and claw prints and then suddenly the claw impressions became deeper and the pad impressions were shallow or disappeared it would indicate that the animal was running.


223 posted on 10/19/2005 1:59:20 PM PDT by beaver fever
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To: beaver fever

Ahhh... I think the paleontologists probably took that into account, too.


224 posted on 10/19/2005 2:06:48 PM PDT by Junior (From now on, I'll stick to science, and leave the hunting alien mutants to the experts!)
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To: kjam22
What are you saying?? You don't think it's been proven that a spaceship can orbit the earth? You don't think that was once a theory???

Theories are explainations for things. "A spaceship can orbit the earth" is a prediction, not an explaination.

225 posted on 10/19/2005 5:54:01 PM PDT by bobdsmith
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To: Junior

Lol.....when did that liberal "modernman" get the boot?


226 posted on 10/19/2005 6:18:55 PM PDT by Godebert
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To: maggief
I was wondering how many posts it would take to get the photo of Hyannisaurus Wrecks up there. Post #7. That's darn good.
227 posted on 10/19/2005 6:22:56 PM PDT by XEHRpa
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To: NRA1995
No slight intended. I gave poster #7 credit for the first photo of Hyannisaurus Wrecks, because I hadn't let all the photos load. You win the prize at post #3. My apologies.
228 posted on 10/19/2005 6:26:08 PM PDT by XEHRpa
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To: Godebert

Modernman was as conservative as anyone else on this forum. Simply because you and he may have differed in opinions on certain subjects does not mean he was liberal.


229 posted on 10/19/2005 6:36:02 PM PDT by Junior (From now on, I'll stick to science, and leave the hunting alien mutants to the experts!)
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To: webstersII
The old textbooks from the 60's and 70's used to say ...hmmm. I wonder what they said about the internet?
230 posted on 10/19/2005 6:42:52 PM PDT by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: kjam22
I'm going home to look for my Peter Paul and Mary cd. I'll think of puff in a whole new way now... C-ya

hmmm. drugs, anti-war, liberal democrats ..

231 posted on 10/19/2005 6:57:50 PM PDT by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: beaver fever
then suddenly the claw impressions became deeper

That's not what the article said ...

232 posted on 10/19/2005 7:05:08 PM PDT by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: WildTurkey

"The swimming dinosaur had four limbs and it walked on its hind legs, which each had three toes," she said. "The tracks show how it became more buoyant as it waded into deeper water — the full footprints gradually become half-footprints and then only claw marks."

" then suddenly the claw impressions became deeper"

The running analogy and the wading analogy would have produced similar prints.

My point is that a two legged marine dinosaur would possible be feeding on land and in the water. Bipedal dinosaurs were after all the most efficient predators.

Think Godzilla.


233 posted on 10/19/2005 7:17:16 PM PDT by beaver fever
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To: beaver fever
The running analogy and the wading analogy would have produced similar prints.

No. As the article was trying to point out, the prints showed increasing lift from the water. Exactly opposite from the digger prints from running. Have you ever gone into the water? As you wade out, you gradually put less pressure on your feet, then you are just using your toes to move you along till finally you can't touch at all and you are swimming.

234 posted on 10/19/2005 7:22:41 PM PDT by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: WildTurkey

Alright already!

So it's a wading dinosour but it's bipedal, so a reasonable hypothosis is that it was able to move into shallow water for the occasional snack.

It's just an idea!

I wouldn't defend it in front of a firing squad!


235 posted on 10/19/2005 7:31:16 PM PDT by beaver fever
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To: beaver fever
It's just an idea! I wouldn't defend it in front of a firing squad!

No, the footprints are real. She was presenting that finding at the conference along with her interpretation. That's how the scientific community works. The information is put out to the peers and they can ignore it, support it with more research or refute it as they feel appropriate.

236 posted on 10/19/2005 7:51:55 PM PDT by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: WildTurkey

I'm on your side.

If there are fossil footprints then they are real since faking fossil footprints (done primarily from the young earth crowd) are crude to the point of absurdity.

Frankly I find the notion of a water dwelling bipedal dinosaur to be facinating.

BTW I am fully aware of how scientific theories are formulated and verified by evidence.


237 posted on 10/19/2005 8:02:23 PM PDT by beaver fever
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To: Junior
"Modernman was as conservative as anyone else on this forum. Simply because you and he may have differed in opinions on certain subjects does not mean he was liberal.

You have to be either extreme right....or a moonbat leftist to get booted off this forum. I doubt you'll find anyone that will say he was far right.

238 posted on 10/20/2005 4:00:21 PM PDT by Godebert
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To: Godebert

Not necessarily You simply have to piss off someone the a Mod likes.


239 posted on 10/20/2005 4:27:13 PM PDT by Junior (From now on, I'll stick to science, and leave the hunting alien mutants to the experts!)
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