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Intelligent Design is not Science (Kenneth Miller Speaks at Lehigh)
Lehigh University News ^ | 10/12/2005 | Kurt Pfitzer

Posted on 10/17/2005 4:57:21 PM PDT by curiosity

Kenneth Miller, acclaimed author and outspoken opponent of efforts to introduce intelligent design into America’s science classrooms, delivered the message his enthusiastic Lehigh audience expected on Wednesday, and concluded with a caveat that distinguishes him from some staunch defenders of evolution—that one can embrace Darwin’s theory while believing in a God who plays an active role in the universe and in the lives of people.

In a two-hour address and slideshow before more than 600 people, Miller critiqued intelligent design as a pseudo-science that builds up a questionable religious idea while undermining the scientific process.

Miller, professor of cell biology at Brown University and co-author of three popular biology textbooks, said intelligent design, unlike natural selection and other scientific theories, cannot be tested or falsified because it invokes supranatural explanations for natural phenomena.

“The advocates of intelligent design propose that a supranatural agent, working outside nature and beyond the laws of science, has brought genes, proteins and complex living systems into existence,” Miller said.

“Intelligent design offers no method of scientifically detecting the actions of a creator-designer. Thus it is not testable. Intelligent design can attribute any result to the action of an intelligent designer. But any theory that can explain everything is not science.”

In contrast, said Miller, the theory of natural selection through random mutation has withstood every challenge mounted against it since Charles Darwin wrote The Origin of Species in 1859.

Miller, author of Finding Darwin’s God: A Scientist’s Search for Common Ground Between God and Evolution , is serving as expert witness for parents who sued the Dover, Pa., Area School Board when it required that ninth-grade science students be informed about intelligent design. The case is being tried in federal district court in Harrisburg.

Miller made his remarks before a standing-room-only crowd in Packard Lab Auditorium in an address titled “Darwin’s Genome: Answering the Challenge of ‘Intelligent Design.’” The event was sponsored by the university and the department of biological sciences.

A complex argument

Miller’s speech came four weeks after an overflow crowd of 200 attended a panel discussion on “Intelligent Design: What does it mean for science? For religion?”

The discussion, sponsored by the university chaplain’s office, featured six faculty members, including Michael Behe, professor of biological sciences, author of Darwin’s Black Box: The Biochemical Challenge to Evolution , and one of the nation’s leading proponents of intelligent design.

In his book, Behe defined design as “the purposeful arrangement of parts” and wrote that design of “discrete physical systems—if there is not a gradual route to their production—is evident when a number of separate, interacting components are ordered in such a way as to accomplish a function beyond the individual components. The greater the specificity of the interacting components required to produce the function, the greater is our confidence in the conclusion of design.”

Behe also introduced the concept of an “irreducibly complex system composed of several well-matched, interacting parts that contribute to the basic function, wherein the removal of any one of the parts causes the system to effectively cease functioning.”

Behe, who is serving as expert witness for the Dover school board in the Harrisburg trial, has debated Miller nine times since the publication of Darwin’s Black Box in 1995. He was not present at Miller’s speech.

Miller, in his Lehigh address, said the assertion that evolution cannot produce irreducibly complex structures “represents the heart and soul of intelligent design” and is one of the two main arguments against Darwin’s theory of natural selection. The other is that evolution cannot produce new biological information.

Miller countered the second argument by pointing to the natural emergence in the past century of new biochemical pathways and new enzymes, including nylonase, which have been reported in refereed science journals and which often occur in response to human alterations of the environment. He showed slides of the journal articles that described these developments.

As for the first argument, Miller agreed with Behe that the bacterial flagellum, with its dozens of genes and proteins working in concert to propel the bacteria and to transport materials inside it, is a marvel of nature.

“There are 50 genes and 30 to 40 proteins in the bacterial flagellum,” he said. “With an acid-powered rotary and a reversible engine, the flagellum almost resembles a machine. No human being has come up with a system this cool, this powerful.”

But a claim for the flagellum’s irreducible complexity could be made, Miller said, only if it could be shown that its many individual parts had no possible function outside of their contribution to the workings of the flagellum.

“Intelligent design says the individual parts of the flagellum are useless on their own. Darwin’s theory says the parts, on their own, could have other jobs. We can look at these complex biochemical machines and see whether their parts do or do not have other functions.

“If you take away all but 10 of the 50 or so parts of the bacterial flagellum, what remains, according to intelligent design, should be non-functional. Instead, we find that what is left behind makes up a Type III secretory system that is perfectly functional. The Type III secretory system is a very nasty [apparatus] that hooks to [a host’s] cells until those cells burst and are devoured by a bacteria.

“Indeed, virtually every protein in the bacterial flagellum shows strong homologies [similarities in DNA or protein sequences] to other systems. This does not explain the step-by-step evolution of the bacterial flagellum. But once you admit that the parts of such a complex machine might have a useful function outside of that machine, you open the door to natural selection.”

Miller also took issue with Behe’s assertion that the blood-clotting system is non-functional if one of its multiple components is absent and thus irreducibly complex. Whales and dolphins, he said, are missing a substance called Factor XII, yet their blood “clots perfectly.”

“Coherent overall explanations “

In addition to his speech, Miller also met on Wednesday with faculty and students in the biological sciences department, with members of the media and with local high school science teachers and science students.

He told those groups, and he told his evening audience, that intelligent design proponents have undermined the American public’s sometimes shaky understanding of science by claiming that the unanswered questions raised by scientific theories amount to evidence against those theories and for intelligent design.

“What is the nature of the evidence in favor of intelligent design? There is none. It has to be manufactured by contriving a dualism that says that anything that Theory A cannot explain is evidence for Theory B. Intelligent design advocates say, ‘We have no evidence for our theory so we will count evidence against evolution as evidence for intelligent design.’”

This type of reasoning, Miller said, leads confused school boards to qualify the teaching of evolution—but not the teaching of atomic theory, the germ theory of disease or any of science’s other theories—by urging students to keep “an open mind” because evolution is “only a theory and not a fact.”

This approach, Miller said, “blurs” the foundations of science and sends students the subtle message that the scientific process—of hypothesis, experimentation, gathering of evidence and formulation of theories—“is not reliable.”

Science is built on theories, said Miller, and theories are “coherent overall explanations, not inspired guesses or hunches” that are built in turn on evidence. Science is also filled with unanswered questions, said Miller, which makes science a dynamic enterprise, a restless and exciting search for truth—scientific truth.

“When we can explain, step by step, the Darwinian evolution of every living system,” he said, “it will be time to close every biology department in the nation.”

Bridging the gulf between science and religion

While scolding intelligent design proponents for employing divine explanations for natural phenomena, Miller argued that some supporters of Darwin’s theory—some of whom he has butted heads with publicly—have stepped outside the bounds of science themselves.

Citing philosopher David Hull, who wrote in Nature magazine that “the God of the Galapagos is careless, wasteful, indifferent, almost diabolical…certainly not the sort of God to whom anyone would be inclined to pray,” Miller said some supporters of natural selection have contributed to the hostility between science and religion by claiming “that science alone can lead us to truth.

“This is a philosophical statement, not a scientific one,” he said. “It is not testable, and it has no more standing than faith-based assertions about nature.”

The idea that science and religion need not be antagonistic and can be compatible, said Miller, can be traced back to St. Augustine, a Catholic thinker who in the fifth century cautioned Christians that they would subject their religious faith “to scorn” if they used the Bible to make scientific observations.

Twentieth-century popes, including Pius XII, John Paul II and Benedict XVI, have accepted the main tenets of natural selection, said Miller, who is a practicing Catholic, while affirming God’s active role in creation.

Miller cited a 2004 report by the Vatican’s International Theological Commission, which found “mounting support” for natural selection and the “virtual certainty” of a common ancestor for all forms of life, while maintaining that “the outcome of a truly contingent natural process can nonetheless fall within God’s providential plan for creation.”

By implying God’s active presence in the details of nature, Miller said, intelligent design advocates miss two key points: that a universe they believe to be fine-tuned to sustain life is sufficiently fine-tuned for life to evolve, and, more importantly, that God’s involvement in nature infringes on the free will necessary for human beings to express a love for God that is genuine and not compelled.

But those who promote science as the ultimate source of the answers to life’s deepest questions, Miller said, are also missing a point.

“Ultimately, the question is, ‘Does science carry us as deeply into the mystery of life as we would like to go?’ People of faith argue that it does not,” he said. “An understanding of the validity of this is key to bridging the gulf between science and religion.”



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KEYWORDS: creationism; creationuts; crevolist; darwinism; evolution; evolutionisbunk; idioticdesign; intelligentdesign; neitherisevolution; origins
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To: megatherium; TXnMA
I also recommend Robert A Millikan's autobiography, as well as his book Science and the New Civilization. Besides being one of the top five or so experimental physicists of the century (I place him third, right below Rutherford and Fermi), Millikan was a staunch conservative Republican and a religious modernist who tried to reconcile his Christian beliefs with modern society, and try to find a role for tradition in the scientific era. Although his writings didn't lead me to a religious awakening, they did help solidify my conservatism.
61 posted on 10/17/2005 10:36:51 PM PDT by RightWingAtheist (Free the Crevo Three!)
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To: curiosity

Science study of patterns. From early childhood Newton wss enthralled by patterns, and as he acquired mathematical tools he was able to use them to discern certain truth in those patterns. He was even required to create such tools to achieve his ends. I think this guy is oblivious to the debate that has gone among the mathematicians about the nature of THEIR science. Is the math in nature, or is it in mankind? How does he know? What is real and what is the illusion of reality?


62 posted on 10/17/2005 10:37:44 PM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: Dumb_Ox
Eugenics, for instance, was once considered scientific, and now it's banished to the pseudoscientific dungeon.

Eugenics is based on animal breeding, something that's been around for thousands of years. Blaming eugenics on science is like blaming murder on guns.

63 posted on 10/18/2005 2:07:02 AM PDT by js1138 (Great is the power of steady misrepresentation.)
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To: RightWingAtheist

Along those same lines I would argue that even if life were poofed into existence it would have to include evolution as the mechanism for sustaining stability of the ecosystem.


64 posted on 10/18/2005 2:14:34 AM PDT by js1138 (Great is the power of steady misrepresentation.)
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To: PatrickHenry

"Not judges, not doctors, no king or emperor, because [reason] is the Devil's greatest whore."

Strange quote.

Even the majority of the original German quote is found on English web sites. It is a little bit strange that the Germans don't care about this quote. I think they knew Luther enough to judge that statement.


65 posted on 10/18/2005 2:20:52 AM PDT by MHalblaub (Tell me in four more years (No, I did not vote for Kerry))
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To: RightWingAtheist

We are glad that you have evolved so far beyond those of us who believe in the Creator. Guess what? God has a plan for your life too! You just don't know it.


66 posted on 10/18/2005 3:16:25 AM PDT by westmichman (I vote Republican for the children and the poor!)
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To: RightWingAtheist
Here's something else to ponder. the second biggest question (after "Who designed the designer?") which the IDers have failed to answer: Where does the hypothetical designer get the knowledge to be able to design something?

Yes, good question. The fossil record, which shows that about 90% of the "designed" species that ever lived have gone extinct, calls the designer's knowledge into question. Clearly, the designer is either:

(1) a cosmic crackpot -- a possibility I mention for completeness, but which I reject on theological grounds -- or,
(2) the designer's knowledge is faulty; otherwise he wouldn't have a 90% failure rate.
So the designer is either a maniac or an ignoramus. Going with option 2, the designer's gruesome fumbling around is what you'd expect from the trial-and-error method of natural selection.
67 posted on 10/18/2005 3:29:08 AM PDT by PatrickHenry (No response to trolls, retards, or lunatics)
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To: megatherium
For instance, if two species appear to be closely related

Similar testable hypothesis:

For instance, if two buildings appear closely related it is more likely that they have similar elevator configurations than two dissimilar buildings.

ML/NJ

68 posted on 10/18/2005 4:21:59 AM PDT by ml/nj
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To: ml/nj
Similar testable hypothesis:

For instance, if two buildings appear closely related it is more likely that they have similar elevator configurations than two dissimilar buildings.

It's not just "similar elevator configurations". It's tiny, random mutations (that have no effect on the organism or any of its biochemical functions) that are more likely to be shared by closely related species. Indeed, if you look at endogenous retroviruses, the case for descent with modification from common ancestors becomes inescapable. Here's the story: Retroviruses such as HIV have the property that they splice their own genetic information into the DNA of a cell they infect. Occasionally, a retrovirus will manage to infect an egg cell: that individual when the egg is fertilized and develops into an adult will have that retrovirus DNA in its genome and so will its decendents. Retroviruses aren't choosy about where their DNA gets spliced in; it's a random process. Often the new DNA doesn't really affect anything, so it doesn't get selected out of the gene pool very quickly. It turns out closely-related organisms will share many of these old retroviral DNA segments, in the same random locations. This has been documented for various species, establishing beyond doubt their common ancestry (just as DNA testing is used to establish paternity in humans).

69 posted on 10/18/2005 5:12:59 AM PDT by megatherium
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To: megatherium
It's tiny, random mutations (that have no effect on the organism or any of its biochemical functions) that are more likely to be shared by closely related species.

You say these "mutations" have no effect, but really what you mean is you don't know what their purpose might be. Some might say the same thing about copper vs PVC piping.

Occasionally, a retrovirus will manage to infect an egg cell: that individual when the egg is fertilized and develops into an adult will have that retrovirus DNA in its genome and so will its descendants.

And this results in a new species how? (Leaving aside the fact that you are hoping that by damaging the original structure you will come up with an improvement, but here I am really asking how this sort of process can lead to descendants biologically incompatible with their ancestors.)

ML/NJ

70 posted on 10/18/2005 5:54:43 AM PDT by ml/nj
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To: IrishCatholic
Oddly enough, the more those that worship atheism shout, the more hollow and shrill their statements.

In dealing with the people trying to get their religion into science class via the trojan horse of ID, one has to deal with the dishonest nature of what they are trying to do.

Science does not have an explanation for everything and it is not possible for science to explain everything.

Science classes are about what science is and does and can explain.

That doesn't mean there is nothing outside of the physical sciences.

That doesn't mean science should now be about what is outside of science.

When you mention logic and philosophy the atheists immediately shriek that it isn't science.

We don't have to shriek it. We can just say it. Science uses logic, especially that subset known as "mathematics," quite routinely. Science is historically connected to philosophy but does not actually use it.

How heavy are the chains in Plato's cave?

How does Superman fly?

Well, evolution does explain the mechanism but not the origin. ID attempts to study that.

Actually, ID not only refuses to address the origin of the Designer, it refuses to address the identity of same, or just what He/he designed, or when, or how often, or by what means. It's "not that kind of theory."

It is a lie to automatically staple ID to theology. Those that insist are no more rational than liberals and their theories.

Do we have to wait for the ID-ists to admit it? They've done it repeatedly. Johnson (the Wedge Document), Behe, Dembski.

Futhermore, if ID were in fact avoiding evolution's turf, it wouldn't consist in all technical arguments as "Evolution cannot explain ... (irreducible complexity, biological information)" and a host of recycled, discredited creationist mantras (no transitional forms, 2nd law of thermo, radiometric dating is flawed, Piltdown Man, Haeckel's embryos). It wouldn't patently be the same crowd who thirty years ago was buying Henry Morris books about the Genesis Flood.

All of these screeches against evolution are flawed in fact or logic. None of them have enough soundness or honesty to be given time in science class. Outside of lies and misrepresentations about another theory being wrong, ID has no content to offer. (What real theory in the history of science was ever about nothing so much as another theory being wrong some way, somehow?) The vanguard of the "movement," Seattle's Discovery Institute, admits that ID as yet has no classroom-ready content. That's why we have to teach "the controversy," the aforementioned package of willful misrepresentation and self-delusion.

71 posted on 10/18/2005 6:42:15 AM PDT by VadeRetro (Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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To: ml/nj
"And this results in a new species how? (Leaving aside the fact that you are hoping that by damaging the original structure you will come up with an improvement, but here I am really asking how this sort of process can lead to descendants biologically incompatible with their ancestors.)"

You have missed the entire point about ERV's. Nobody says this leads to new species. The ERV's are essentially fossil virus' trapped in the DNA. We can see retrovirus' today that become umbered in the host DNA; it doesn't *damage* the host because the virus never gets turned on. If the virus never gets turned on, and is in a sex cell, it won't hurt the host in any way, AND it will be passed on to the next generations.

There are many many of these ERV's in our DNA that we share with chimps, but don't show up in Gorilla's for instance. We have some that we share with both. They are inserted at the exact same point on the DNA; the chances of us getting the same exact virus at the same exact loci that Chimps get by accident is mind numbingly small. It's the evidence that tips common descent into the the arena of fact. (not proved, but fact). There is no reason to believe it is wrong.
72 posted on 10/18/2005 6:52:54 AM PDT by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is a grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: CarolinaGuitarman; ml/nj
You have missed the entire point about ERV's.

Every creationist ALWAYS militantly misses the entire point about ERVs. One must not just root for the ignorance. Ignorance is our strength! Ignorance must be cherished and nurtured. Creation Science! It's not just an oxymoron, it's the "You can't MAKE me see" science.

73 posted on 10/18/2005 7:00:40 AM PDT by VadeRetro (Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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To: curiosity
In his book, Behe defined design as “the purposeful arrangement of parts” and wrote that design of “discrete physical systems—if there is not a gradual route to their production—is evident when a number of separate, interacting components are ordered in such a way as to accomplish a function beyond the individual components. The greater the specificity of the interacting components required to produce the function, the greater is our confidence in the conclusion of design.”

This is what Behe said ID was before he said it wasn't.

74 posted on 10/18/2005 7:32:36 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: VadeRetro
Every creationist ALWAYS militantly misses the entire point about ERVs. One must not just root for the ignorance. Ignorance is our strength! Ignorance must be cherished and nurtured. Creation Science! It's not just an oxymoron, it's the "You can't MAKE me see" science.

It's such an honour to be addressed by one of such immense intelligence. You just cannot imagine.

FTR, I am not a "creationist." I just know that Darwinian Evolution (in all of its flavors) is a croc. It's cute that you jump in to support someone who says, "Nobody says this leads to new species." If something doesn't lead to a new species then as far as I am concerned, it is irrelevant to a discussion related to the origin of species.

ML/NJ

75 posted on 10/18/2005 7:52:02 AM PDT by ml/nj
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To: ml/nj
FTR, I am not a "creationist." I just know that Darwinian Evolution (in all of its flavors) is a croc.

There are no secular skeptics of evolution who pass the sniff test.

76 posted on 10/18/2005 8:12:52 AM PDT by VadeRetro (Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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To: ml/nj
It's cute that you jump in to support someone who says, "Nobody says this leads to new species." If something doesn't lead to a new species then as far as I am concerned, it is irrelevant to a discussion related to the origin of species.

It's cute you pretend to misunderstand the difference between the mechanism that causes a thing and the forensic evidence trail that it absolutely positively MUST have happened. What did I say? You will forever misunderstand ERVs, militantly. What are you doing? Blatantly reserving the right to never understand the nature of the ERV evidence.

And you're not a creationist? I don't know exactly what a secular skeptic of evolution would look like, but he wouldn't look like a creationist saying, "You can't call me a creationist" rather like Molly Ivins or Ed Asner saying "You can't call me a communist."

77 posted on 10/18/2005 8:20:11 AM PDT by VadeRetro (Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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To: ml/nj
"I just know that Darwinian Evolution (in all of its flavors) is a croc."

How? Reading tealeaves?

"It's cute that you jump in to support someone who says, "Nobody says this leads to new species." If something doesn't lead to a new species then as far as I am concerned, it is irrelevant to a discussion related to the origin of species."

Because, Einstein, we were talking about genetic markers that we share with chimps because we have a common ancestor. We were talking about common descent, not speciation or the mechanisms of evolution. They are irrelevant to what we were discussing; ERV's. You obviously have no idea what we posted, yet you felt the need to wave it away anyway. The willful ignorance of Creationists knows no bounds.

And of course you're a creationist; I do understand why you wouldn't want to be associated with them though.
78 posted on 10/18/2005 9:06:12 AM PDT by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is a grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: cornelis

Okay, no problem. We'll make a list. Bunny rabbits: good. Oh, wait, except for the one eating the garden. Scratch that.


79 posted on 10/18/2005 9:38:19 AM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the law of the excluded middle)
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To: RightWhale
Right. That's a simple start for a problem that otherwise gives insight into our place.

Should I have been friends with Manes? Go alternate betwen the temples of Yin and Yang? Hmm. Come to think of it, since you and I live in it, we don't get much better at it for being citizens of the closed universe of Nature.

80 posted on 10/18/2005 10:23:23 AM PDT by cornelis
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