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I was wrong; so please join me in supporting Harriet Miers.

Posted on 10/09/2005 3:28:25 PM PDT by Pukin Dog

I decided to end my self-imposed exile from posting due to information that I received this past weekend from ‘a little birdie’ in Washington, which I subsequently had confirmed by another ‘insider’ if you can call him that.

You know I won’t tell, so don’t bother asking me for names, links, or further information. I trust these individuals, and have received accurate information from them before and shared it here on Free Republic. Of course, all are free to either accept or reject what I am about to share, but if you know anything about the Dog, I don’t change my mind often, and my only goal is to pass on information that can help support the Conservative agenda.

Issue 1.

Information was shared with me on Saturday, which described in no uncertain terms that Harriet Miers stands as the only nominee on Bush’s list which has any chance of confirmation by the Senate Judiciary Committee. The reasons for this are numerous, and would be embarrassing to the Conservative movement should one or many of the ‘stars’ who we hoped Bush would select be shot down in Committee, which again, if true, would be a certainty.

More than one of the persons we might have wanted made it clear to the President that they would not accept his nomination if selected. You can draw your own conclusions as to why, but the only hint I will provide is that data mining works too damn well these days. What we saw back when Clarence Thomas was nominated would seem like a walk in the park, compared to what would be done to some of our most popular jurists.

Our Democrat opponents have been quite busy, especially after John Roberts embarrassed them, searching for any information that would allow an open personal attack on a nominee. Sadly, many of the folks we wanted badly would have had their lives destroyed had they attempted confirmation to the bench, and wisely declined. There is no one among us who has not done (or had a family member do) things that we either regret, or would rather keep to ourselves. Because none of us are perfect, it is possible that had one of our choices been selected, we might have lived to regret that day for a very long time.

Issue 2.

Arlen Specter is in my opinion, a traitor to the Conservative movement. He has made it clear to the White House that he is determined to protect his legacy, by NOT supporting any name among those who might make it possible to overturn Rowe V. Wade. What that means, is that had Bush put up someone who might make us proud, Specter reneged on a PROMISE to support Bush’s judicial nominees in return for his, (and especially Rick Santorum’s) support for his re-election. This promise was made when there was strong consideration for removing Specter’s pending chairmanship in favor of John Coryn, or an extension to the term of Orrin Hatch.

The removal of Specter from the Chairmanship would have been disastrous, because he would have remained a committee member, and would have sided with Democrats against the President’s selections out of spite. So, why not simply remove Specter from the committee? That would have been really bad PR, considering Specter’s health issues at the time these decisions were being made.

One could argue that it might have been best to send up nominee after nominee, even if eventually defeated, but remember that O’Conner is only around hoping for a quick confirmation so that she can be with her ill husband. Bush was under the gun to come up with a confirmable candidate, or risk a Supreme Court not running at full strength as important rulings came under review.

I am told that Arlen Specter has gone back on every single promise he made when his chairmanship was still a question, and feels untouchable now that he is ill, because any punitive measures taken against him would be seen as ‘less than compassionate’ by the MSM and Democrats, who admittedly would have a field day, were Specter punished for his duplicity. The sad thing is that after “Scottish Law” or even the “Magic Bullet theory” that some think that anything that Arlen Specter says can be trusted. Sure, he supported Clarence Thomas, but does anyone believe that Specter would still be a Senator if he had not?

Issue 3.

Let’s face it; our Republican Senate is an embarrassment. From the weakness of Frist, to the petulance of the dude who ‘thinks he is leader’ McCain, down to his McCainiac compadre Lindsey (tinker-bell) Graham, to the nut from Mississippi who thinks he can actually get his leadership position back by actively rebelling against the President, we aint looking to good at all.

Our Republican Senate has as members at least 7 Democrats who could have never gotten elected as Democrats, who nonetheless support the Democrat agenda whenever they can get away with it, which unfortunately due to the weakness of Frist, is all too often. I find myself wishing Tom Delay would run for the Senate against Hutchinson, just so we can have someone in the Senate not afraid to break some heads to get things done. Why can’t we have a Republican Lyndon Johnson when we need one?

Because our Republican Senate is so weak, President Bush cannot rely on them for much. He could not have gotten majority support in this current Senate for any judicial nominee that would have made us proud. The usual suspects have made it clear to the President that any nominee who would have put their re-election prospects at risk would vote against that nominee. The bottom line, is that the Republican Senate is made up of too many who want the job, but not the work. The only job they see before them is that of getting re-elected to another six year term.

Luttig, McConnell, JRB, Owen, Alito, or anyone else you want to name, would have been defeated, and probably defeated in committee, in order to save other Senators from having to vote them down on the floor. Of this, I am now convinced. Only two names were considered allowable for Senate confirmation; Miers and Gonzales. When Bush met with Senators, he was reportedly told that these two names were the only ones that stood a chance to be confirmed, but Gonzales would face pointed questions about Abu Gharab, Gitmo, and the administration’s policy on torture. It would have been ugly, but he would have been confirmed against the added damage done by dejected a dejected conservative base, and liberal attacks on the President’s agenda. There would have also had to be a new search for an Attorney General, which would have been just as ugly.

Had Bush put up selections that would have been defeated, the chorus of ‘Lame Duck’ chanting coming out of Washington would have drowned out the President’s agenda. A defeat in the Senate would have also signaled to Congress that they were on their own, and no longer had to back up, support, or even listen to President Bush. They would have been free to play the political-calculation game that the Democrats have been playing for 6 years; avoiding tough votes that would be used against them in a future campaign.

So, what’s the bottom line?

The bottom line is that Bush did his best to give us what we want, in a way that will not hurt the prospects of the Conservative agenda. The primary thing that must be considered, is that the Congress can NEVER be put back in Democrat hands, for that would destroy all progress made up to now. Our day will come, but this aint it. If we had a Republican Senate made up of real patriots without the odd liberal in Republican clothing, things would be a lot better.

In Miers, Bush has clearly taken what he can get, and our best hope now is for another vacancy on the court before this administration’s term is up. The current makeup of the Congress will just not allow our agenda to be passed at this time without major sacrifices and pragmatic thinking to overcome the inherit weakness of having traitors in our midst.

It appears to me that Harriet Miers is the best CONFIRMABLE candidate for the Supreme Court at this time. This fact is not the fault of the President. Indeed it is OUR fault. It is us who have supported less than the best candidates for the Senate. We are responsible for Chaffee, Snowe, McCain, Graham, Lott, Frist and other persons of questionable courage. We should not be blaming Bush for our own votes. We selected the people that the President must rely upon to move his agenda forward. If they are losers, then he loses too.

Though they literally suck, we are stuck with these people because we must keep the majority to keep our agenda alive. There have been worse moments for us, but none would be worse than than the day we lose the Senate our House majorities. I now believe that although Bush disapointed many of us, that he did the very best he could do without destroying our momentum.

Yes, like Rush Limbaugh said, it was a choice made from weakness.

But the thing to remember, is that it was not Bush’s weakness, but our own, and that of the people we have elected to Congress that made this happen. Had they been strong, Bush could have selected anyone we wanted.

Because of what I now know about how and why Harriet Miers was selected, I withdraw my earlier statements against her, my statements suggesting anything less than my strong support of the President, and finally, my self imposed exile from Free Republic.

Pukin Dog is back, so deal with it.


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To: Miss Marple
That Miss Marple, is a cold eyed realistic common sense post...exactly what I have come to rely on you for.

Thanks.
661 posted on 10/09/2005 7:35:56 PM PDT by pollyannaish
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To: eyespysomething

Well, the House has the luxury of brave people killing the filibuster years ago.

But, yes, that's exactly what we need. A Delay in the Senate. A Whip. A Hammer.

Increased majorities do not keep people on the reservation. Look at Thune on Bolton. We NEED discipline with Majority, only then is it solved.


662 posted on 10/09/2005 7:36:31 PM PDT by Soul Seeker (Barbour/Honore in '08)
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To: Principled
"Welcome to FR"

If I pretend and say "thanks" like I'm a signed-up-today newbie addressing a wise FR elder does that buy us all another lengthy bout of "lurking" from you?

I'm willing to take one for the team, if so...

663 posted on 10/09/2005 7:37:37 PM PDT by A Jovial Cad ("It has been my experience that folks who have no vices have very few virtues." -Abraham Lincoln)
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To: Miss Marple
I don't know a realistic way to fix this, but it is the problem we face right now.

We need to do everything in our power to get conservatives elected in the red states by forcing the current Democrats to go on the record as much as possible with liberal votes. Once we get the conservatives in the Red States, we can begin to jettison the RINOS from the blue states and let them elect liberals. We need to do this in such a way that we never lose the majority so it will take a number of election cycles.

We also need to turn more states Red over time.

664 posted on 10/09/2005 7:39:50 PM PDT by RobFromGa (Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran-- what are we waiting for?)
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To: Miss Marple
True, but I fear you are outnumbered. Olympia doesn't sem to care what you think.

The RNC supports her, so I don't support the RNC. Same with Collins. But you are right she doesn't care. No need to. She's pretty well monied. I don't like it, but politics is an insider's game. "Don't care what you think" is a conclusion that turns voters off.

665 posted on 10/09/2005 7:40:47 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Stellar Dendrite; Principled
To imply that someone is "new" by saying "welcome to FR" is what I call fuzzy math

Ah, but haven't you heard Stellar? "Situational ethics" is all the rage among the cool kids on the proper side of this debate, and what's a little scummy lying among friends in service of the LARGER TRUTH and the BIGGER PICTURE and REALISM?

'specially when we all know it's only George Will-Ann Coulter-Bill Kristol-Charles Krauthammer-Sean Hannity-Rush Limbaugh lovin' trolls who come in here and express troublesome concerns from a conservative perspective...

The nerve!

666 posted on 10/09/2005 7:41:01 PM PDT by A Jovial Cad ("It has been my experience that folks who have no vices have very few virtues." -Abraham Lincoln)
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To: nutmeg; YaYa123; JulieRNR21; Howlin

Ping.


667 posted on 10/09/2005 7:41:05 PM PDT by StarFan
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To: Pukin Dog

Dog,

Thank you so much for your post. It only takes one vote on the Judiciary committee to reject a nominee, and we already know which side Specter is on.

As I stated earlier on another thread, I voted for President Bush because I trusted his ability to lead. It is easy for us to pass judgments out here because we don't have full knowledge of what goes on behind the scenes. However, I know where Bush stands in his heart. I will continue to lift him up in my prayers. I can only ask that everyone else in here continue to do the same regardless of how you feel about Miers.


668 posted on 10/09/2005 7:41:38 PM PDT by Hoodat ( Silly Dems)
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To: Miss Marple

But I don't think we can count on putting any sort of pressure on RINOs from blue states to get them to vote with the conservative bloc.


669 posted on 10/09/2005 7:42:12 PM PDT by RobFromGa (Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran-- what are we waiting for?)
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To: Miss Marple

I think we are both correct to degrees. If Bush wanted a warm body, he has just that. As momma used to say..."Be careful what you ask for...".


670 posted on 10/09/2005 7:43:08 PM PDT by Republic of Texas
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To: Soul Seeker; RobFromGa
There was an opportunity to force the filibuster. We still have people being filibustered right now. All Frist has to do is bring them to the floor for a vote. he has chosen not to do so.

Myers (9th circuit) has been out of committee since March. The GOP thinks this is hunky dory "fine."

671 posted on 10/09/2005 7:46:32 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Experiment 6-2-6

There have been a lot of ugly posts on both sides of the argument, and none of it has been helpful. I'm afraid that your post is yet another example.


672 posted on 10/09/2005 7:48:24 PM PDT by born in the Bronx
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To: Pukin Dog
If we had a Republican Senate made up of real patriots without the odd liberal in Republican clothing, things would be a lot better.

How true.

673 posted on 10/09/2005 7:49:36 PM PDT by Fester Chugabrew
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To: Cboldt

Precisely.

They pushed out the high profile names, the ones tagging people with bias against women (Owens), Minorities (brown) and religion Pryor) and then stuck the rest in the closet.

These are qualified real human beings being detroyed, and they don't give a damn. All because they are playing politics and too many Reps are scared to call them on it.

I'm still in the position where I wonder why any of them deserve election. Saving the 9 that voted against white gloves on terrorists, I have no positive feelings for any of them.


674 posted on 10/09/2005 7:53:18 PM PDT by Soul Seeker (Barbour/Honore in '08)
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To: Principled; Stellar Dendrite
"If so, I'll share my reason for saying welcome to the jovial cad"

Yoo-hooo! Pssst! Over here...

Why don't you "share" that "reason" with the subject of your post, or at least ping me to it? Or is it the case that in all of your years of studied "lurking" you have never picked up the nuances of FR courtesy?

675 posted on 10/09/2005 7:54:32 PM PDT by A Jovial Cad ("It has been my experience that folks who have no vices have very few virtues." -Abraham Lincoln)
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To: Rider on the Rain

"W will pursue that fight to the finish."

that's all well and good wishin', but what army do you think Bush is going to bring to that fight?


676 posted on 10/09/2005 7:56:53 PM PDT by Annie5622
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To: Miss Marple
So, this is what Bush has had to deal with, and is still burdened with. We can't hold power without the RINO's, but with them we find much of the agenda sabotaged. I don't know a realistic way to fix this, but it is the problem we face right now.

Maybe an appeal to a sense of adhering to the Constitution would get some support. I've suggested exactly that to the GOP. On FR, I've been called the equivalent of a moonbat.

"Thank you sir, may I have another?"

677 posted on 10/09/2005 7:58:11 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: conservativebabe

Lindsey Graham was pretty good this morning too, supporting President Bush and his pick for the Supreme court. I was pleasantly surprised. He had a presser the other day and it was good too. He told everyone to "shut up" till the hearings.


678 posted on 10/09/2005 8:00:00 PM PDT by YaYa123 (@ God Bless President Bush As the MSM and Democrats Seek To Destroy Him.com)
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To: quidnunc
. . .the other candidates who would otherwise have not been filibustered had things in their background that would have made them unconfirmable.

You mean, like, killer profits on cattle futures? You mean Mena?

679 posted on 10/09/2005 8:00:45 PM PDT by Fester Chugabrew (Hillary and cattle. It's the future, and it's blight.)
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To: StarFan; Pukin Dog
It appears to me that Harriet Miers is the best CONFIRMABLE candidate for the Supreme Court at this time. This fact is not the fault of the President.

I agree, Dog and commend you for posting this thread!

I believe that President Bush will get the opportunity to appoint one and possibly two more Judges to the SCOTUS before his term is over. It is up to us to work hard to elect more strong conservative Senators who will support those nominees.

I hope that those who are not 'wild about Harry' will come to realize that given the reality of the current Senate, she is the 'right' choice!

680 posted on 10/09/2005 8:01:30 PM PDT by JulieRNR21 (Outraged about a crescent at Flight 93 Memorial? Call 1-814- 443-4557 to leave comments.)
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