I think they just have some things missing.
Posted on 09/10/2005 11:46:13 AM PDT by pcottraux
You know 'em, you love 'em. Just about all of us have clashed with 'em at times. What's more, it's fun to bust and get rid of them, and that helps make FR even more exciting.
But why do they do it? Why do liberals--and they're usually far-left ones--come here and put on phony screen names so they can "infiltrate" this right-wing forum? They seem to have a tendency to make outrageous statements that get them busted the same day they join. What are they trying to accomplish?
Just yesterday, after one of them made an obvious statement, I caught onto him. He started making insane left-wing rants, before I reported him, and he vanished. It was fun to imagine the little wuss screaming in pain as he was busted and yanked. After he was gone, and all his comments replaced by “Comment Removed” messages, I made a statement on the stupidity of these people, blowing their own cover right after they join. What kind of espionage is that?
But then, ANOTHER one came in, and had this to say before he, too, was yanked:
“Yeah, those trolls are seriously brain dead. They are so caught up in that so-called ‘freedom of speech thing’ that they don't know how to watch what they say when talking to us Republicans that are able to remove their thoughts when we disagree with them. Gosh, they are so silly!”
Fortunately, this troll is also no longer with us, at least not under the same screen name. But upon reading his statement here, a realization comes. THAT’S IT! This comment helps get to the heart of the DU trolls’ mindset, and exactly what it is they’re doing—or trying to do. Hopefully, some of them here will read this, and realize how futile their efforts are.
Basically, DU trolls like the one who made the above statement are classic examples of people suffering what I call LNM, or Liberal Narcissistic Martyrdom. This is a common mental ailment of left-wingers. In essence, it involves a self-image of being a “heroic rebel against the system” who “dares to stand up for what they believe in.” In an egotistical way, they envision themselves as “underdogs” who are in a perpetual state of “standing up to fight the corporate system.” They are ALWAYS standing up against this system, or some proverbial system.
Michael Moore, or at least the public image he makes of himself, is a classic example of this. Actually, one of the best examples I can think of is famed hippy doctor Patch Adams. His movie about himself, starring Robin Williams, is a complete show of just what an egotistical blowhard a liberal can be when he envisions himself “standing up to fight the system” at all times, under all circumstances. I assume that “Patch Adams” is a favorite movie among sufferers of LNM, because it is exactly how they fantasize their own lives being.
Look at the statement the DU troll made. “Yeah, those trolls are seriously brain dead. They are so caught up in that so-called ‘freedom of speech thing’…” Here, he/she/it is showing the biggest symptom of LNM…the conviction that one’s freedom of speech is being taken away, when it is not. Liberals are caught up in their first amendment rights—they’re not caught up in any other constitutional rights, like the right to bear arms, but they love that first one. And many of them, especially those with LNM, are convinced that that sacred right is going to be taken away from them when “America descends into a dictatorship.” They think Bush is Hitler, and those of us on FR are Nazis. Therefore, they think a totalitarian government is going to steal their first amendment rights. Never mind that as left-wingers, they are campaigning for more power to the government, anyway.
And that, my friends, is why these people come here under various guises. They WANT their freedom of speech taken. It gives them a Martyr Ego Boost. They crave it. So they come here, put in a phony screen name, and start spouting left-wing doctrines. As this clown sarcastically put it: “they don't know how to watch what they say when talking to us Republicans that are able to remove their thoughts when we disagree with them.” See what I mean? They seek PROOF that they’re losing their free speech, so when they get yanked from this site, it makes them feel like righteous martyrs. They get the Martyr Rush. It’s almost like drug addiction.
They’ve lived comfortably in America their whole lives, considering their dissent to show how righteous they are, and any criticism of that dissent is seen as “freedom being lost.”
The problem is that FreeRepublic.com is not a debate forum, at least not for right vs. left. There are other web forums for that. FR is a right-wing/grassroots conservatism forum. If we let one liberal stay here and debate us, then we have to let them all. Then, this is no longer a right-wing forum. So their thesis that “Republicans and Conservatives are eliminating people who disagree with them” is pretty much a dead point.
Of course, these wienies don’t know the meaning of losing free speech. They’ve never lived under a communist regime before. They should go over to North Korea and live under Kim Jong Il’s iron grip awhile. When their hands are cut off for speaking out against the government, or their tongues gouged out, or they’re skinned alive…then they’ll know what it REALLY means to lose freedom. I’ll bet the typical sufferer of LNM couldn’t stand five minutes of what Saddam Hussein’s victims had to endure. They’d come running back to the American Bush “dictatorship,” crying like babies, for sure.
Hide in plain sight...
"Freedom of speech" to the Left generally means the freedom to shout down anyone they don't like.
I had a run-in with a CINO a few days ago, a sloganeer with no wish for thoughtful debate or the skills either. It wasn't long I was thrown the typical "you're a Klansman" response.
So yeah, they're about....
Actually, those ads were probably Public Service Announcements provided by the Ad Council and were being used as filler. A lot of radio shows that have poor ratings have to run Ad Council stuff because no one will buy time on their broadcasts. On WLS in Chicago they used to Run Dr. Dean Edell's show at like 4am in Sunday morning, and at least half the ads were PSAs.
From what I consider reliable estimates, there are probably about ten times as many Freepers as DUmmies, like 10,000 vs. 100,000+.
Well...one that comes to mind off the top of my head is Liberallarry. While I certainly don't agree with his positions, I've never encountered any of the vitriol that I have seen with others. Another one may be Logsoul...only because he seems to take contradictory positions on just about everything. He was a big Plame defender...and while I had a long, heated debate with him, he stood by his position without resorting to namecalling. Thankfully, the abusive ones don't last long.
I used to work for a small company which was composed of many family members and sometimes family squabbles spilled over into the workplace. One day a number of us in the service department were having lunch in some pizza place and Joe began cutting on his brother-in-law, Mark, who was late. Joe said, "He's probably listening to that idiot, Limbaugh, again." This was a cue for others at the table to also start cutting on Mark who had been urging others to give Rush a chance, since he was relatively new to national radio and all the MSM commentary had been about what an extremist he was. Joe would augment each comment with further commentary as to what a jerk his brother-in-law was.
After sitting and listening for a while, Joe asked what I thought. I said, "Well I tend to agree with Churchill when he said, 'A fanatic is one who won't change his mind and won't change the subject.'" Initially everyone thought I was talking about Mark, but within half a minute the conversation had moved on to another topic.
I'm sure some didn't catch on to the combination of ambiguity and irony, but at least one guy did who gave me a "look" after I spoke. Sometimes life is great!
I think you've got it.
Thanks, I've learned that all by now. This is a kind of older thread.
I think they just have some things missing.
"Those who are excised are generally the ones were it is obvious their intent is to disrupt or distract from the real issues."
I agree that we should give 'em a little more rope to hang themselves with (maybe we could even converty one or two first). But it's like Rush says, when they can't refute your argument they start calling you names. I think we should let 'em get that far, then zot 'em.
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Actually, Juan has become really disappointing lately. He's turned into the DNC talking point machine. Now, if you want to set up a debate with Mara Liasson or Ceci Connelly, I'm there.
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You right; I've noticed that too. Historically, though, I've been impressed with his ability to engage in civilised debate and provide facts to support his arguments.
Let's hope the DNC brain eating disease hasn't infected him for good.
Warner Brothers cartoons were the best, no question. MGM cartoons (esp those directed by Tex Avery) run a close second. I can't watch a Disney cartoon. They simply aren't funny IMHO.
Marry Christmas and Happy New Year to you too!
Yeah, you're right. (The one of Tom and Jerry in the bowling alley was a masterpiece).
The '50's was the Golden Age of animation. Why anyone vaunts the likes of something static such as Speed Racer is beyond me.
See y'all....
I slipped up. The '40's is where animation began to grow.
I'm (apparently) one of the few who find the threads they initiate most boring.
In Before the Zot and associated cartoons, etc., are most unentertaining.
In a way, I think it's ok. Instead of them in a stealth mode and when something is really important that's happening (like the first debate of W's re-election), they don't have the ability to come out of the shadows soooo fast and totally ruin the discussion thread. Which appeared to have happened...so many FReepers were bummed out by the troll's many many comments. We sure don't need that again...IMHO.
Sometimes a troll might seem totally tame, but it turns out Jim found their IP and/or e-mail address was a retread. You might every now and then see he himself make a post saying "so-and-so " is also known as.... (and he'll generally give several of the other banned monikers).
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