Posted on 09/10/2005 11:46:13 AM PDT by pcottraux
You know 'em, you love 'em. Just about all of us have clashed with 'em at times. What's more, it's fun to bust and get rid of them, and that helps make FR even more exciting.
But why do they do it? Why do liberals--and they're usually far-left ones--come here and put on phony screen names so they can "infiltrate" this right-wing forum? They seem to have a tendency to make outrageous statements that get them busted the same day they join. What are they trying to accomplish?
Just yesterday, after one of them made an obvious statement, I caught onto him. He started making insane left-wing rants, before I reported him, and he vanished. It was fun to imagine the little wuss screaming in pain as he was busted and yanked. After he was gone, and all his comments replaced by “Comment Removed” messages, I made a statement on the stupidity of these people, blowing their own cover right after they join. What kind of espionage is that?
But then, ANOTHER one came in, and had this to say before he, too, was yanked:
“Yeah, those trolls are seriously brain dead. They are so caught up in that so-called ‘freedom of speech thing’ that they don't know how to watch what they say when talking to us Republicans that are able to remove their thoughts when we disagree with them. Gosh, they are so silly!”
Fortunately, this troll is also no longer with us, at least not under the same screen name. But upon reading his statement here, a realization comes. THAT’S IT! This comment helps get to the heart of the DU trolls’ mindset, and exactly what it is they’re doing—or trying to do. Hopefully, some of them here will read this, and realize how futile their efforts are.
Basically, DU trolls like the one who made the above statement are classic examples of people suffering what I call LNM, or Liberal Narcissistic Martyrdom. This is a common mental ailment of left-wingers. In essence, it involves a self-image of being a “heroic rebel against the system” who “dares to stand up for what they believe in.” In an egotistical way, they envision themselves as “underdogs” who are in a perpetual state of “standing up to fight the corporate system.” They are ALWAYS standing up against this system, or some proverbial system.
Michael Moore, or at least the public image he makes of himself, is a classic example of this. Actually, one of the best examples I can think of is famed hippy doctor Patch Adams. His movie about himself, starring Robin Williams, is a complete show of just what an egotistical blowhard a liberal can be when he envisions himself “standing up to fight the system” at all times, under all circumstances. I assume that “Patch Adams” is a favorite movie among sufferers of LNM, because it is exactly how they fantasize their own lives being.
Look at the statement the DU troll made. “Yeah, those trolls are seriously brain dead. They are so caught up in that so-called ‘freedom of speech thing’…” Here, he/she/it is showing the biggest symptom of LNM…the conviction that one’s freedom of speech is being taken away, when it is not. Liberals are caught up in their first amendment rights—they’re not caught up in any other constitutional rights, like the right to bear arms, but they love that first one. And many of them, especially those with LNM, are convinced that that sacred right is going to be taken away from them when “America descends into a dictatorship.” They think Bush is Hitler, and those of us on FR are Nazis. Therefore, they think a totalitarian government is going to steal their first amendment rights. Never mind that as left-wingers, they are campaigning for more power to the government, anyway.
And that, my friends, is why these people come here under various guises. They WANT their freedom of speech taken. It gives them a Martyr Ego Boost. They crave it. So they come here, put in a phony screen name, and start spouting left-wing doctrines. As this clown sarcastically put it: “they don't know how to watch what they say when talking to us Republicans that are able to remove their thoughts when we disagree with them.” See what I mean? They seek PROOF that they’re losing their free speech, so when they get yanked from this site, it makes them feel like righteous martyrs. They get the Martyr Rush. It’s almost like drug addiction.
They’ve lived comfortably in America their whole lives, considering their dissent to show how righteous they are, and any criticism of that dissent is seen as “freedom being lost.”
The problem is that FreeRepublic.com is not a debate forum, at least not for right vs. left. There are other web forums for that. FR is a right-wing/grassroots conservatism forum. If we let one liberal stay here and debate us, then we have to let them all. Then, this is no longer a right-wing forum. So their thesis that “Republicans and Conservatives are eliminating people who disagree with them” is pretty much a dead point.
Of course, these wienies don’t know the meaning of losing free speech. They’ve never lived under a communist regime before. They should go over to North Korea and live under Kim Jong Il’s iron grip awhile. When their hands are cut off for speaking out against the government, or their tongues gouged out, or they’re skinned alive…then they’ll know what it REALLY means to lose freedom. I’ll bet the typical sufferer of LNM couldn’t stand five minutes of what Saddam Hussein’s victims had to endure. They’d come running back to the American Bush “dictatorship,” crying like babies, for sure.
Probably because they hate the military and they see us as huge supporters of the military.
I love to hunt trolls like my husband likes to hunt rabbits. They are both destructive varmints and need to be eliminated.
Hope this is not an imposition, but where would one find Pukin' Dog's rant, More Cheese for the Rats? Is that a private blog or is it to be found on FR?
Thanks for the advice.
"..We really don't need wacko liberals adding to the mix because there's already enough to debate and discuss between us.."
And well they should, as you point out, be banned for campaigning. But liberal posting wasn't really what I was exploring. What I was concerned about is that there seem to be a group of commenters who tend to determine for themselves whether an essay, even though it is clearly conservative, is 'worthy' of being read by others on this site, and take it upon themselves to heckle the person posting, in a manner of self-appointed moderators. I fear we may lose the access this site is famous for, at least for those newer conservatives who may not have read everything which has been posted over the years, but who may have an idea that is important to them, even though it may duplicate a previous thread unknown to them, or be posted by a amateur writer.
In many cases this may be quite appropriate, since good writing is difficult. Some have even gone so far as to argue that writing is "...a job for the professionals...", and that the so-called vanity posts are a distraction.
I reject that last maxim categorically, in that the highly paid, syncophantic herd of writers who compose the bulk of the mainstream media have only the barest shreds of actual logic and even less of rational thought. I only allot grudging respect to what I see as the coherence, accuracy, and compelling logic of the work, be it pro or amateur. I've gotta tell ya, the professionals leave many of us unimpressed. ( My response to them was in an old post of mine titled "Why we post". )
The sifting seems to work well enough here on FR, in that those posts which have no interest to the majority of readers, earn few reads and responses which soon signals to the writer that he is generating little interest. And those who post must expect those who disagree with them to demolish their arguments, and drive trucks through the holes in their logic. That is what puts the spice on Free Republic.
As for those individuals who want to argue the merits of Marx here, dumping them seems obvious. But for those of us who in the main agree with the Republican platform, but who argue our hearts out against the accumulation of national debt, against the ponzi scheme of social security, and many other issues on which conservatives disagree among themselves, we would like to know that there is no prescribed "correct" doctrine on FR, but only that which a writer can, by the compelling arguments he can muster, convince the people he respects most- his brother and sister conservatives.
Stay on us, of course, if we get hackneyed, and long-winded,(as I do), but understand if we figure that we have a new angle in the debate to explore, or a recent event should shed new light, and we try to appeal our case with it.
This isn't related to DU directly, but this weekend I happened upon Air America during a road trip. Every time I switched over to that station over a three day period I heard ads for AlAnon, AlaTeen, and AA. Is their hatred for Bush so deep that they have all turned to booze to drown their ignorance?
Exceedingly well stated. Thanks for going to the trouble.
I thought the troll problem lately had to do with Dan Rather having more time on his hands.
I've engaged in debate here, some of it quite passionate, and some of the opposing positions could be described as liberal. But since there was a clear line of reason ... no one got booted.
In truth I suppose I only speak for myself, but I don't recall seeing any thinking liberal getting removed from FR just because they've expressed an opinion that differs from the FR majority. They may get flamed, and get called names, but that's the potential price you pay when you express an opinion. They certainly get more courteous treatment then a conservative would get on DU. And certainly no one is throwing them in jail.
Until the moonbats get loose, no one gets hurt. Unfortunately so much of the liberal position is based upon policies which have shown conclusively to be wrong that in most cases moonbats are all they have left.
These losers really believe that their thoughts are so insightful, that other people have to listen to them.
Who the heck wants to listen to 30-year-old children?
It's even more pathetic than that!
If they were not limited intellectually, the odds are the original stimulus would not have made them angry in the first place.
Yes, there are two:
1) Ignorance of history.
2) Lack of imagination.
Funny, the only person they won't compare to a Nazi is Saddam Hussein.
I recently finished reading "Atlas Shrugged and Rand does a good job of where the "take things away for the common good" mindset will lead. Beware of the looters and and mind stealers. Hillary downright scares me.
.....and Castro. But he only kills people when they try to swim for it..
I've only went to the DU once just to see what they were saying and thinking. Needless to say it was like Bizzaro-world.
But I was wondering has anyone been on there enough to notice the traffic on there. What I'm getting at is : does anyone get a sense that there's a lot more people on the FR than the DU??
I've never been there that I can remember. I'm sure traffic here is way more than that DUmp.
LMAO!! The DUmp!
Well, I admit, I didn't make that one up, I heard it somewhere else.
Can't help but use it, though.
LOL
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