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Katrina Live Thread, Part XI
Various ^ | 30 August 2005 | Various

Posted on 08/30/2005 1:34:04 PM PDT by NautiNurse

The situation in New Orleans continues to deteriorate due to rising water levels and desperation. Search and rescue continues via boat and air. Authorities have announced the goal to evacuate all the remaining residents of NOLA. The New Orleans Mayor has reported numerous gas leaks throughout the city. Sporadic fires occurring. Attempts to evacuate hundreds of hospital patients from Charity Hospital and Tulane Medical Center are in process. Patients are being transported to other hospitals as far away as Florida.

The Army Corps of Engineers is at the NOLA levee breaks with current plans to drop 3000 lb sand bags in an effort to stop the flow of water. NOLA hospital evacuations continue for thousands of patients. Reports indicate all evacuees are being taken to the SuperDome, which is now surrounded by water. The generators at the Dome are now in jeopardy. The Governor of Louisiana has called for a day of prayer tomorrow...

Elsewhere, search and rescue continue in Mississippi and Alabama. Biloxi reports indicate catastrophic damage.

Links to various news and local government websites:

WLOX TV Biloxi, Gulfport, Pascagula has link to locate family and friends (very slow load)

2theAdvocate - Baton Rouge Includes Slidell, St. John Parish, St. Bernard Parish updates, and other locations.

NOLA.com

Inside Houma Today needing boats, volunteers, lists gas station openings, water, etc.

WALA Channel 4 Mobile, AL Includes links to distribution centers, Emergency Ops, etc.

Sun-Herald Gulfport MS Includes link to town by town reports

Gulfport News via Topix.net

WAFB Baton Rouge

Mobile Register via al.com

Mississippi updates via Jackson Ledger

Lafayette LA Daily Advertiser

Pensacola News Journal

St Bernard Local Government

Streaming Video:
WWL-TV (via KHOU/Houston): http://www.wwltv.com/cgi-bin/bi/video/makeadplaylist.pl?title=beloint_khou&live=yes

WKRG/Mobile: mms://wmbcast.mgeneral.speedera.net/wmbcast.mgeneral/wmbcast_mgeneral_aug262005_1435_95518

WDSU/New Orleans via WAPL/Jackson: mms://a842.l1291238841.c12912.g.lm.akamaistream.net/D/842/12912/v0001/reflector:38841

All are Windows Media Player links.


Related FR Threads:

FYI: Hurricane Katrina Freeper SIGN IN Thread

Discussion Thread - Hurricane Katrina - What Went Wrong?!?

Post Hurricane Katrina IMAGES Here

Looting Begins In New Orleans

Martial Law Declared in New Orleans


Due to the number of requests to assist, the following list of some charities is provided.
This is not intended as an endorsement for any of the charities.

www.redcross.org or 1-800 HELP NOW - note: website is slow
Salvation Army - 1-800-SAL-ARMY or Salvation Army currently looking for in-state volunteers - (888)363-2769
Operation Blessing: (800) 436-6348.
America's Second Harvest: (800) 344-8070.
Catholic Charities USA: (800) 919-9338, or www.catholiccharitiesusa.org.
Christian Reformed World Relief Committee: (800) 848-5818.
Church World Service: (800) 297-1516 or online at www.churchworldservice. org.
Lutheran Disaster Response: (800) 638-3522.
Nazarene Disaster Response: (888) 256-5886.
Presbyterian Disaster Assistance: (800) 872-3283.
Wal-Mart Stores Inc. is accepting donations at its 3,800 stores and Web site, www.walmart.com.

Previous Threads:

Katrina Live Thread, Part X
Katrina Live Thread, Part IX
Hurricane Katrina Live Thread, Part VIII
Hurricane Katrina Live Thread, Part VII
Hurricane Katrina Live Thread, Part VI
Hurricane Katrina Live Thread, Part V
Hurricane Katrina, Live Thread, Part IV
Hurricane Katrina Live Thread, Part III
Katrina Live Thread, Part II
Hurricane Katrina Live Thread, Part I
Tropical Storm 12


TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events; US: Alabama; US: Florida; US: Louisiana; US: Mississippi
KEYWORDS: aftermath; hurricane; hurricanekatrina; katrina; livehurricanekatrina
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Better go back and find the zeros on those scales. Also look for the "normal lake level" marker at the 1 foot mark.


4,061 posted on 08/31/2005 2:08:51 AM PDT by John Jamieson (Hybrids are a highway around CAFE, that's all they're good for.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I happened to wake up in time for the 4 am news. Cantore may actually have been correct in guesstimating the surge plus wave at 37 feet, for there were pictures of a beachfront building 5 stories tall with obvious fourth-floor damage. Other pictures included piles of matchsticks, a flipped 18-wheeler with only the tires showing above the floodwaters, shattered highways and bridges, and of course videos of the Coast Guard and looters in action.


4,062 posted on 08/31/2005 2:17:52 AM PDT by libtoken
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To: John Jamieson; libtoken

Did Mississippi get proper warning or were news agencies just focused on New Orleans and LA?


4,063 posted on 08/31/2005 2:20:40 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Howlin; NautiNurse
How can we start a "What is To Be Done" thread?

The scale of this disaster is amazing, there are so many problems: Evacuation, Refugee Housing, Food & Water, Medical, Civil Engineering, Transportation, Alternate Export Routing, the Political Crisis which will develop, etc.

It is clearly beyond the capacity of the Louisiana government - but probably not beyond FR.

4,064 posted on 08/31/2005 2:20:40 AM PDT by Jim Noble (Resistance to Tyrants is Obedience to God)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I remember the news, especially FNC, showing the projected paths, which showed the storm hitting the lower east side of Louisiana, then cutting up northeast and running up Mississippi.


4,065 posted on 08/31/2005 2:23:47 AM PDT by GOPyouth (De Oppresso Liber! The Tyrant is captured!)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Hurricane turned to east in last few hours.

LP elevation here:

http://waterdata.usgs.gov/nwis/uv?format=gif&period=7&site_no=073802331

Current 5.11 feet about 4 feet increase from gulf surge going over the dam backwards. Blow the dam and LP goes to 0.

most of NO drains back into the lake.


4,066 posted on 08/31/2005 2:26:57 AM PDT by John Jamieson (Hybrids are a highway around CAFE, that's all they're good for.)
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To: GOPyouth

The wettest side of a hurricane is the northeast side. I don't think they expected the huge water surge.


4,067 posted on 08/31/2005 2:28:11 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: John Jamieson

I'm confused. Broken levies have water spilling into and filling the city.


4,068 posted on 08/31/2005 2:31:09 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Jim Noble

Well said.

I'm so tied of the discussion about who did what wrong.

First action: get the people out.
Second action: Blow LP dam to drain most of the city.
Third action: get pumps going to finish draining city.
Four action: repair levees
Fifth action: have a big meeting to discuss what to do next.


4,069 posted on 08/31/2005 2:31:46 AM PDT by John Jamieson (Hybrids are a highway around CAFE, that's all they're good for.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

True. But blow the LP dam and the lake goes down 5 feet. Well below even the breeches.


4,070 posted on 08/31/2005 2:33:34 AM PDT by John Jamieson (Hybrids are a highway around CAFE, that's all they're good for.)
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To: U S Army EOD

Sometimes I am amazed at what I do NOT know LOL!

Those of us who went through school when education was the priority know about the silt from the Mississippi and the delta.

My question is this-the Mississippi does not flow as it did in the past because of the dams and locks. Has that affected the silt deposits? I guess I am asking, if the Mississippi flowed as it did in the past, would NO be in such trouble today or is that one of those great debate questions no one can answer with certainty?


4,071 posted on 08/31/2005 2:33:54 AM PDT by Protect the Bill of Rights
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To: John Jamieson
Here's my answer:

***....Gulfport Fire Chief Pat Sullivan said most of those who died in Gulfport perished in the zone of the storm surge, which pushed up to a set of railroad tracks about six blocks from the beach. "We begged, we pleaded, we demanded. We told them they had a good chance of dying if they didn't leave. But there's only so much government can do to protect people," Sullivan said. "Too many people tried to ride it out. We can't regulate good sense." ....*** Mississippi search crews pulling bodies from rubble - railroad tracks about six blocks from beach

4,072 posted on 08/31/2005 2:34:05 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: John Jamieson

Still confused.

Is this dam holding lake water back from the city?

If so, is there any place for it to go?

Do you want to add more if there is?


4,073 posted on 08/31/2005 2:36:38 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

No the lake was overfilled by the storm surge going over the dam between it and the gulf. We need to blow a big hole in the dam to drain the lake down to sea level.


4,074 posted on 08/31/2005 2:39:35 AM PDT by John Jamieson (Hybrids are a highway around CAFE, that's all they're good for.)
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To: John Jamieson

Okay. Thanks for taking the time to explain that to me.


4,075 posted on 08/31/2005 2:42:46 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Protect the Bill of Rights

well thats a good qustionyes and no however for years the Miss appears to want to try to break free north of baton rouge and follow a coursre similar to the atchafalya. Thats great for costal erosion prob on the rest of the gulf bad because it would cause major destruction but mainly bad for nola because it wouldnt be on the river or be aport and be pretty useless


4,076 posted on 08/31/2005 2:44:13 AM PDT by bayourant
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To: Protect the Bill of Rights

well thats a good qustionyes and no however for years the Miss appears to want to try to break free north of baton rouge and follow a coursre similar to the atchafalya. Thats great for costal erosion prob on the rest of the gulf bad because it would cause major destruction but mainly bad for nola because it wouldnt be on the river or be aport and be pretty useless


4,077 posted on 08/31/2005 2:44:14 AM PDT by bayourant
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To: John Jamieson

The dam doesn't cross the whole lake does it? I thought S.E. section was free-flowing estuary?


4,078 posted on 08/31/2005 2:46:07 AM PDT by Rebelbase ("Run Hillary Run" bumper stickers. Liberals place on rear bumper, conservatives put on front bumper)
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To: John Jamieson

Or, I probably should have said it's not so much a dam as it is protective wall between the tidal marshes to the south and the lake?


4,079 posted on 08/31/2005 2:48:33 AM PDT by Rebelbase ("Run Hillary Run" bumper stickers. Liberals place on rear bumper, conservatives put on front bumper)
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To: Rebelbase

Don't know, trying to research where the level control really is. There must be a spillway, lock or something.


4,080 posted on 08/31/2005 2:53:04 AM PDT by John Jamieson (Hybrids are a highway around CAFE, that's all they're good for.)
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