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Evolution Debate creates monster [Flying Spaghetti monster, to be exact]
Lawrence Journal-World ^ | August 24, 2005 | Scott Rothschild

Posted on 08/24/2005 6:51:49 AM PDT by Quick1

Topeka — From Darwin to intelligent design to the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

The debate over teaching evolution in Kansas public schools has caught the attention of a cross-country Internet community of satirists.

In the past few weeks, hundreds of followers of the supreme Flying Spaghetti Monster have swamped state education officials with urgent e-mails.

They argue that since the conservative majority of the State Board of Education has blessed classroom science standards at the behest of intelligent design supporters, which criticize evolution, they want the gospel of the Flying Spaghetti Monster taught.

“I’m sure you realize how important it is that your students are taught this alternate theory,” writes Bobby Henderson, a Corvallis, Ore., resident whose Web site, www.venganza.org, is part FSM tribute and part job search. Karl Gehring/Journal-World Illustration

Karl Gehring/Journal-World Illustration

“It is absolutely imperative that they realize that observable evidence is at the discretion of a Flying Spaghetti Monster,” he wrote to the education board.

Henderson did not return a telephone call for comment. He says in his letter that it is disrespectful to teach about the FSM without wearing “full pirate regalia.”

Board member Bill Wagnon, a Democrat, whose district includes Lawrence, said he has received more than 500 e-mails from supporters of FSM.

“Clearly, these are just supreme satirists. What they are doing is pointing out that there is no more sense to intelligent design than there is to a Flying Spaghetti Monster,” Wagnon said.

Intelligent design posits that some aspects of biology are so complex, they point toward an intelligent creator.

ID proponents helped shepherd a report and hearings that have resulted in science standards that criticize evolution and have put Kansas in the middle of international attention on the subject.

John Calvert, of Lake Quivira, the lawyer who was instrumental in writing the science standards that criticize evolution, said he had seen the FSM e-mails, and was not impressed.

“You can only use that misinformation so long,” Calvert said. Calvert said the science standards do not promote intelligent design, but show that evolution has its critics.

Wagnon and the three other board members who support evolution have written Henderson back, saying they appreciated the comic relief but that they were saddened that the science standards were being changed to criticize evolution.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Philosophy; Political Humor/Cartoons; US: Kansas
KEYWORDS: christianbashing; crevolist; evolution; humorlesscreos; liberalbigots; libertarianbigots; noodlyappendage; religion; religiousintolerance; satire; usedfood
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To: longshadow

Blasphemer!!!

There is only one true noodle!

The glorious Rotini!!!

DK


41 posted on 08/24/2005 7:38:49 AM PDT by Dark Knight
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To: blowfish
I prefer the 'tiny angels snipping DNA with tiny gold scissors' theory. It has just as much supporting evidence as ID. In fact, I *demand* it be taught in science classes.

Again, bad jokes are no substitute for good arguments.

Your side continues to lose ground in this debate partially because of the weakness of evolutionary theory and partially because of your childish attitude.

42 posted on 08/24/2005 7:39:29 AM PDT by wideawake (God bless our brave troops and their Commander in Chief)
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To: longshadow
May you be touched by His Noodly Appendage, for then you shall be truly blessed.

Ramen.

43 posted on 08/24/2005 7:39:43 AM PDT by Physicist (no, I didn't make that up.)
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To: Quick1

44 posted on 08/24/2005 7:39:57 AM PDT by shuckmaster
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To: wideawake

Help me out wide...

Why, in discussions about ID, is the a discussion about the designer off limits? It's fine, in Behe's estimation, to infer design from that which is irreducibly complex, but there is a firm refusal to discuss the nature of the designer. Why do you think that is?

I would be extremely interested in a good argument as to why we can infer design but not discuss the designer.


45 posted on 08/24/2005 7:41:08 AM PDT by dmz
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie
I'm a Catholic, I don't buy into the materialist/evolutionist hypothesis, and I am under no obligation - religious or otherwise - to do so.
46 posted on 08/24/2005 7:41:44 AM PDT by wideawake (God bless our brave troops and their Commander in Chief)
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To: Quick1
When was Intelligent Design elevated to the level of Theory? It has no testable, falsifiable hypothesis.

Shhh, if they say it often enough and nobody corrects them it becomes the truth.

47 posted on 08/24/2005 7:45:01 AM PDT by cryptical
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To: Dark Knight
Blasphemer!!! There is only one true noodle! The glorious Rotini!!! DK I beg to differ....as Frank Costaza found out......it is the fusilli.....or as he unforturately found out Cork Screw Pasta....that is the giver of pain and to some, unfortunately, pleasure.......(fusilli...taken from 'fusil' or rifle...or rifling.....as in fusiliers......) that is the pasta diety.
48 posted on 08/24/2005 7:45:31 AM PDT by Vaquero (lets all play " The Crusades")
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To: wideawake

Hardly. When ID presents evidence worthy of something other than laughter get back to me.


49 posted on 08/24/2005 7:48:08 AM PDT by blowfish
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To: Quick1
Smokin' da holy herb with da Pastafarians.


50 posted on 08/24/2005 7:48:36 AM PDT by JerseyHighlander
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To: longshadow
May you be touched by His Noodly Appendage, for then you shall be truly blessed.

That would indeed be the best of all pastable worlds.

51 posted on 08/24/2005 7:50:12 AM PDT by Gumlegs
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To: wideawake
Again, bad jokes are no substitute for good arguments.

As I see you wouldn't recognize brilliant satire if it came up and slapped you in the face, here's the only argument I need: ID is NOT science. It has no testable, falsifiable hypothesis, and should not be taught in science class, where we need our kids to learn about, you know, SCIENCE, and the scientific method.

Show me the hypothesis for ID that is testable and falsifiable, and I will be first in line to say that it should be taught in science class.
52 posted on 08/24/2005 7:52:31 AM PDT by Quick1
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To: Gumlegs

According to the pic on post 50, that's the pesto of all pastable worlds.


53 posted on 08/24/2005 7:52:43 AM PDT by dmz
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To: Vaquero
Hail Ditali, hail hail hail.


54 posted on 08/24/2005 7:53:07 AM PDT by JerseyHighlander
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To: TheBigB

Unnngh.


55 posted on 08/24/2005 7:53:55 AM PDT by Constitution Day
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To: wideawake
Were evolution fact, as gravity is fact, there wouldn't be any debate.

Have you ever seen a graviton?

Didn't think so. If evolution is shaky, then gravity is a half-assed hypothesis.
56 posted on 08/24/2005 7:54:10 AM PDT by Vive ut Vivas
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To: dmz
Why do you think that is?

Probably because the design (if it is proven to be a design) does not necessarily provide definitive information about the designer.

The designer is not necessarily God according to the Judaeo-Christian definition, for example.

57 posted on 08/24/2005 7:54:50 AM PDT by wideawake (God bless our brave troops and their Commander in Chief)
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To: Vaquero

Where did I say anything about creationism?

Evolution is a catch-all term for theories.

Should we usher in the theories of man made global warming and homosexuality as a birth defect into public schools? The dominant culture does not want those theories questioned either.

I don't believe that we do students any favor when scientists pretend to have all the answers. Research into the origins of life and the origins of the universe continue and will continue. Some student may be inspired by such questions to devote his/her life to such research.

The book is not closed.


58 posted on 08/24/2005 7:55:16 AM PDT by weegee (The Rovebaiting by DUAC must stop. It is nothing but a partisan witchhunt.)
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To: Vive ut Vivas

Read my post 29 and then get back to me.


59 posted on 08/24/2005 7:55:59 AM PDT by wideawake (God bless our brave troops and their Commander in Chief)
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To: Dark Knight

Not to mention The Great Gnoccho!


60 posted on 08/24/2005 7:56:10 AM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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