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How Intelligent Design Hurts Conservatives (By making us look like crackpots)
The New Republic ^ | 8/16/05 | Ross Douthat

Posted on 08/18/2005 5:17:34 PM PDT by curiosity

The appeal of "intelligent design" to the American right is obvious. For religious conservatives, the theory promises to uncover God's fingerprints on the building blocks of life. For conservative intellectuals in general, it offers hope that Darwinism will yet join Marxism and Freudianism in the dustbin of pseudoscience. And for politicians like George W. Bush, there's little to be lost in expressing a skepticism about evolution that's shared by millions.

In the long run, though, intelligent design will probably prove a political boon to liberals, and a poisoned chalice for conservatives. Like the evolution wars in the early part of the last century, the design debate offers liberals the opportunity to portray every scientific battle--today, stem-cell research, "therapeutic" cloning, and end-of-life issues; tomorrow, perhaps, large-scale genetic engineering--as a face-off between scientific rigor and religious fundamentalism. There's already a public perception, nurtured by the media and by scientists themselves, that conservatives oppose the "scientific" position on most bioethical issues. Once intelligent design runs out of steam, leaving its conservative defenders marooned in a dinner-theater version of Inherit the Wind, this liberal advantage is likely to swell considerably.

And intelligent design will run out of steam--a victim of its own grand ambitions. What began as a critique of Darwinian theory, pointing out aspects of biological life that modification-through-natural-selection has difficulty explaining, is now foolishly proposed as an alternative to Darwinism. On this front, intelligent design fails conspicuously--as even defenders like Rick Santorum are beginning to realize--because it can't offer a consistent, coherent, and testable story of how life developed. The "design inference" is a philosophical point, not a scientific theory: Even if the existence of a designer is a reasonable inference to draw from the complexity of, say, a bacterial flagellum, one would still need to explain how the flagellum moved from design to actuality.

And unless George W. Bush imposes intelligent design on American schools by fiat and orders the scientific establishment to recant its support for Darwin, intelligent design will eventually collapse--like other assaults on evolution that failed to offer an alternative--under the weight of its own overreaching.

If liberals play their cards right, this collapse could provide them with a powerful rhetorical bludgeon. Take the stem-cell debate, where the great questions are moral, not scientific--whether embryonic human life should be created and destroyed to prolong adult human life. Liberals might win that argument on the merits, but it's by no means a sure thing. The conservative embrace of intelligent design, however, reshapes the ideological battlefield. It helps liberals cast the debate as an argument about science, rather than morality, and paint their enemies as a collection of book-burning, Galileo-silencing fanatics.

This would be the liberal line of argument anyway, even without the controversy surrounding intelligent design. "The president is trapped between religion and science over stem cells," declared a Newsweek cover story last year; "Religion shouldn't undercut new science," the San Francisco Chronicle insisted; "Leadership in 'therapeutic cloning' has shifted abroad," the New York Times warned, because American scientists have been "hamstrung" by "religious opposition"--and so on and so forth. But liberalism's science-versus-religion rhetoric is only likely to grow more effective if conservatives continue to play into the stereotype by lining up to take potshots at Darwin.

Already, savvy liberal pundits are linking bioethics to the intelligent design debate. "In a world where Koreans are cloning dogs," Slate's Jacob Weisberg wrote last week, "can the U.S. afford--ethically or economically--to raise our children on fraudulent biology?" (Message: If you're for Darwin, you're automatically for unfettered cloning research.) Or again, this week's TNR makes the pretty-much-airtight "case against intelligent design"; last week, the magazine called opponents of embryo-destroying stem cell research "flat-earthers." The suggested parallel is obvious: "Science" is on the side of evolution and on the side of embryo-killing.

Maureen Dowd, in her inimitable way, summed up the liberal argument earlier this year:

Exploiting God for political ends has set off powerful, scary forces in America: a retreat on teaching evolution, most recently in Kansas; fights over sex education . . . a demonizing of gays; and a fear of stem cell research, which could lead to more of a "culture of life" than keeping one vegetative woman hooked up to a feeding tube.

Terri Schiavo, sex education, stem cell research--on any issue that remotely touches on science, a GOP that's obsessed with downing Darwin will be easily tagged as medieval, reactionary, theocratic. And this formula can be applied to every new bioethical dilemma that comes down the pike. Earlier this year, for instance, the National Academy of Sciences (NAS) issued ethical guidelines for research cloning, which blessed the creation of human-animal "chimeras"--animals seeded with human cells. New York Times reporter Nicholas Wade, writing on the guidelines, declared that popular repugnance at the idea of such creatures is based on "the pre-Darwinian notion that species are fixed and penalties [for cross-breeding] are severe." In other words, if you're opposed to creating pig-men--carefully, of course, with safeguards in place (the NAS guidelines suggested that chimeric animals be forbidden from mating)--you're probably stuck back in the pre-Darwinian ooze with Bishop Wilberforce and William Jennings Bryan.

There's an odd reversal-of-roles at work here. In the past, it was often the right that tried to draw societal implications from Darwinism, and the left that stood against them. And for understandable reasons: When people draw political conclusions from Darwin's theory, they're nearly always inegalitarian conclusions. Hence social Darwinism, hence scientific racism, hence eugenics.

Which is why however useful intelligent design may be as a rhetorical ploy, liberals eager to claim the mantle of science in the bioethics battle should beware. The left often thinks of modern science as a child of liberalism, but if anything, the reverse is true. And what scientific thought helped to forge--the belief that all human beings are equal--scientific thought can undermine as well. Conservatives may be wrong about evolution, but they aren't necessarily wrong about the dangers of using Darwin, or the National Academy of Sciences, as a guide to political and moral order.


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To: Dimensio
Why would a perfect creation create sin?

Sin isn't a "thing," so much as it is the natural opposite of a thing, God's will.

If creation were perfect, that would mean it was the way God wanted it to be.

God created a creation that could share his will only by acting freely.

As for why God would create a world that would fall, what is the point of the question? Is it impossible that a perfect God would do such a thing?

481 posted on 08/19/2005 12:03:31 AM PDT by MitchellC (Foolishness isn't a mental disorder.)
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To: cajungirl
"But you don't ask others, you tell them.Because you possess the absolute truth."

Thank you for acknowledging that.

The difference is, the truth I possess doesn't come from my own superior wisdom.

Forgive me if the truth offends you. That's in the Bible, too.

482 posted on 08/19/2005 12:06:04 AM PDT by TheClintons-STILLAnti-American
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To: cajungirl
A deeply held belief has the power of truth

NO, that is where you are wrong. Believe it as you will though.

Only truth has the power of truth.
483 posted on 08/19/2005 12:09:37 AM PDT by mordo
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To: cajungirl
I am saying your truths are your beliefs.

There is no truth here I do believe, only beliefs. A deeply held belief has the power of truth but not all hold your particular deeply held belief.

Like wow. You're giving me flashbacks man. (that's meant as humor)

Listen to me Caj, there isn't anything in what your are trying to say that I don't get. I've been through EST, Yoga, Buddism, Transendental Meditation, Astral Projection. I've done pot, mescaline, LSD. I read Carlos Castinada obsessively. I read Seth Speaks obsessivly. I've been there, done that (all of it). Becoming a Christian was the last thing I could possibly imagine.

It AIN'T SO. Your beliefs do NOT determine your truth! Your beliefs are your beliefs. Nothing more, and they alter truth not one iota.

There is nothing NEW about your New Age beliefs. It's the OLDEST lie in the history of man, and you can read about it in the book of Genesis.

There is only ONE truth. Drop an object, and it will fall to the ground. Every single time. Gravity exists. It is Truth. We don't live in multiple realities.

484 posted on 08/19/2005 12:12:08 AM PDT by GSHastings
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To: mordo; cajungirl
A deeply held belief has the power of truth

In the same way a little Christmas tree light has the whole power of the Hoover Dam behind it.

485 posted on 08/19/2005 12:13:41 AM PDT by b9
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To: Publius6961

Perhaps a better word was religion. Doesn't belong in public schools.


486 posted on 08/19/2005 12:19:27 AM PDT by cajungirl (no)
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To: cajungirl

I so totally agree. 100%


487 posted on 08/19/2005 12:23:01 AM PDT by b9
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To: cajungirl
"And the only evidence for ID is faith. And faith has no place in schools or science."

As an engineer and a scientist I beg to differ with you.
As a layman (laywoman) because you hold a theory (evolution) as your fact you say that our theory has no place in the schools or science.

You would be probably telling that to the Wright brothers 100 years ago.

If I can make room for your THEORY why can't you make room for mine?

Yeah, present both sides. What are you afraid of?

As to the founding Fathers being of old, I guess we will
have to regress back to learn what they knew.
Didn't the come here in search of freedom of religious
and social beliefs?

To quote Winston Churchill,
The only thing you can learn in life is the history you
didn't already know.

What interests the champions of all the major progressives
- the radical naturalists, the Marxist / Communist, the multiculturalists,
and the sexual hedonists-is the destruction of the traditional
Judaeo-Christian family and culture. This is the tie that
binds. Christians and their values are all that stand in
the way of their creating their own heavens on earth. "In
a world without God," said Sartre (paraphrasing
Dostoevsky), "anything is permitted." That "anything"
includes deceit, dishonesty and murder.


By the way isn't that a pogrom of the left?
That times are different and and the principals that our nation was founded on and the constitution no longer applies.

I am tolerant of you.

Why would you wish to silence me.
488 posted on 08/19/2005 12:23:21 AM PDT by DaveTesla (You can fool some of the people some of the time......)
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To: Publius6961

Perhaps I was too subtle.

I was referring to the faith as described by some posters,,that the only way to God is throught Christ, etc, the duty to spread that, the idea that there is one true way and it is theirs. That is what I was objecting to.

That doesn't belong in the public schools. And that is the agenda of the ID people whether they admit it or not.

I don't think it is odd to object to that. I see that as Faith, Muslim stye myself.


489 posted on 08/19/2005 12:24:56 AM PDT by cajungirl (no)
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To: doodlelady
In the same way a little Christmas tree light has the whole power of the Hoover Dam behind it.

If everyone lit, just one little candle....

we'd have a lot more smog :-)

490 posted on 08/19/2005 12:24:58 AM PDT by GSHastings
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To: Just mythoughts
I read the Book and there is nothing in it about evolving from a formerly believed primordial cold, recently discovered hot soup.

Visit a Campbellite church /pun

491 posted on 08/19/2005 12:26:14 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (No wonder the Southern Baptist Church threw Greer out: Only one god per church! [Ann Coulter])
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To: DaveTesla

You are talking of religion not a mere difference in opinion about scientific theory.

I don't wish to silence you. I don't want your teachings in the public schools. And that is the agenda. And it is a dangerous one.

You can preach and talk and worship in your tax exempt religion places to your heart's content.


492 posted on 08/19/2005 12:27:56 AM PDT by cajungirl (no)
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To: DaveTesla
the principals that our nation was founded on

Do you mean principles?

493 posted on 08/19/2005 12:29:07 AM PDT by b9
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To: cajungirl
"Perhaps a better word was religion. Doesn't belong in public schools."

But the atheist/marxist religion does?

All we have done is replace one with the other.

Seen what is going on in the public schools lately?
Or even worse in the universities? Our nation is loosing it.
You don't even get a decent education anymore.
Especially in the engineering and sciences.
Mostly you get leftist indoctrination.
And your afraid of religion?
Wait till you see what they (the left) are replacing it with.

If my poor grandmother were alive today she would die of a
stroke at the sight of it.

This is progress?

Looks more like the fall of Rome to me.
494 posted on 08/19/2005 12:34:40 AM PDT by DaveTesla (You can fool some of the people some of the time......)
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To: From many - one.
At pubemd there are 19,222 references to consciousness.

I don't think many reference the left little toe as the seat of consciousness.

NO FOR SURE.., that conclusion can be reached without reading anything anywhere at at all. Is this 'more best of the best' contributions of the evo ping list.

Aww ...From many - one, You guys really kill me!! HA HA HA HA HA HA ROFLAMO...!!! oh, oh, its hard to breathe!! please stop!!!
495 posted on 08/19/2005 12:35:43 AM PDT by mordo
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To: doodlelady

Yes.

It's late.


496 posted on 08/19/2005 12:37:25 AM PDT by DaveTesla (You can fool some of the people some of the time......)
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To: DaveTesla

Where did she say anything about an athiest/marxist religion?


497 posted on 08/19/2005 12:38:05 AM PDT by b9
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To: doodlelady
She didn't.

I am telling her that is what they are teaching.

Sexual perversion too.

That should build a strong nation right?

Or perhaps a nation of dysfunctional worthless serfs.
498 posted on 08/19/2005 12:42:01 AM PDT by DaveTesla (You can fool some of the people some of the time......)
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To: curiosity
Eveolution = Christ/evolution

Perhaps, just perhaps, the monolith in "2001 a Oddyessy" ended up in Mecca and Arabs are the descendants of violent chimps and apes. If the Islamofastists do destroy western culture and create a world Caliphate, we'll have a repeat of "Planet of the Apes." My point is that if we have evolved from the apes to this stage, the final stage may be a return to Ape rule.

To offset this eventual possibility Christianity and evolution should reveal themselves merging in ID: Eveolution. They are not mutually exclusive.

As well, the Left is known for calling GW Bush a chimp and not a Christian, which reveals their sympathies with the terrorists/monkeys. They are projecting their latent and nascent fantasies forward, toward a future ruling Muslim Ape. The left still has to evolve with Christianity.
499 posted on 08/19/2005 12:42:35 AM PDT by Blind Eye Jones
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To: DaveTesla
atheism and Marxism have nothing to do with the teaching of sciences in the universities.

If your view of the culture "falling apart" were true, the answer is not to infuse religion into the schools and government.

There is ample reason to be afraid of religion in government and schools.

That is why there are private religious schools, churches, families, synagogues, etc.

And I do not think there is leftist indoctrination of engineering and science students.

Cultural changes happen. We don't need a Taliban or its equivalent here. I do believe the rise of Islamic fundamentalism was fueled by fear of western decadence. The rise of religious fundamentalism in this country I do think is fueled by the same fears of decadence.
500 posted on 08/19/2005 12:43:45 AM PDT by cajungirl (no)
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