Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 3

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Natalee Holloway - Extended Thread 2
Posted on 06/20/2005 12:14:36 AM CDT by brigette
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1426433/posts

Natalee Holloway - Extended Thread 1
Posted on 06/16/2005 11:43:44 AM CDT by brigette
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1424188/posts

Another Twist in Holloway Disappearance
Posted on 06/14/2005 11:24:41 AM CDT by PBRSTREETGANG
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1422593/posts

Ala. Teen's Mom: Men 'Know What Happened' (Natalee Holloway)
Posted on 06/13/2005 4:01:55 AM CDT by bd476
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1421756/posts

Natalee's body found... (false report)
Posted on 06/11/2005 1:05:50 PM CDT by kcvl
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1420967/posts

Holloway Not Only American Missing In Aruba
Posted on 06/08/2005 1:25:36 AM CDT by MassRepublicanFlyersFan
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1418606/posts

Natalee Holloway (Aruba) 5 Men Now in Custody
Posted on 06/07/2005 3:35:36 PM CDT by Hillary's Lovely Legs
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1418322/posts

Aruba Info...

Full Aruba Island Maps
http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif (BEST MAP)
http://www.caribbean-on-line.com/islands/ar/images/aruba2002.gif (good map but blurry)
http://www.aruba-tours.com/art/arubaattmap1.gif

Oranjestad Aruba Street Map
http://www.caribline.com/islands/ar/images/oranjestad2002.gif

San Nicolas Street Map
http://www.caribline.com/islands/ar/images/sannicolas2002.gif

Hotel Location Maps in the California Lighthouse Area
http://www.arubaluxurycondos.com/images/arubamap1.gif
http://www.frommers.com/images/destinations/maps/jpg/176_resortareaaccomodations.jpg (NICE MAP)

Hotel Pictures - 
http://www.frommers.com/images/destinations/maps/jpg/176_resortareaaccomodations.jpg (Map)

Aruba Marriott Resort & Stellaris Casino - #1 on Map
LG Smith Boulevard #101
http://marriott.com/propertyimages/a/auaar/phototour/auaar_phototour22.jpg?Log=1

Marriott's Aruba Ocean Club - #2 on Map
LG Smith Boulevard #99
http://marriott.com/propertyimages/a/auaao/phototour/auaao_phototour01.jpg?Log=1

Holiday Inn Sunspree Resort - #3 on Map (both buildings are the Holiday Inn)
http://phototour.ichotelsgroup.com/hotelimages/AUAAN/WELCM_EXTR_02_D.jpg

Playa Linda Beach Resort - #4 on Map
http://www.playalinda.com/enghome.html

Manchebo Beach Area Map
http://www.mapsworldwide.com/mwwlive/itm_img/3897075008sam.gif

Aruba Beach Location Maps
http://www.arubariba.com/ArubamapBeachMap1.jpg
http://www.arubatravelinfo.com/maps/arubabeachmap.jpg (nice detailed map)

Aruba Township Location Map
http://www.arubarealestate.com/aruba_map/

Aruba Diving Location Maps
http://www.visitaruba.com/attractions/sunandfun/diving_a.html

Aruba Beach/Site Seeing Pictures
http://www.visitaruba.com/attractions/sunandfun/beaches.html

Aruba/Natalee - Blogs/Boards/Forums/News Feeds
http://bb.visitaruba.com/
http://www.aruba.com/msgbrd/read.php?f=1&i=124287&t=124287&v=t
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/ (Blog) - POPULAR
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/Discussion/ (Forum) - POPULAR
http://spaces.msn.com/members/amykappel/ (Blogger in Aruba)
http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/ (Blog) - POPULAR
http://joranvandersloot.blogspot.com (Blog)
http://www.hasibokos.com/hbknews/default.asp?view=day&blogDate=6/10/2005 (Blog - English Version)
http://www.i66.com/ (Natalee Holloway News Feed)

Aruba White/Yellow Pages
http://arubayp.com/

Suspect's Personal Pages or Picture Album Locations
http://www.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=14905439&Mytoken=20050613202923

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Show/Interview TranscriptsTranscript: Van der Sloots Speak Out - On the Record with Greta- Fox News
Transcript: Van der Sloots Speak Out
Thursday, June 23, 2005
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 22, 2005, that has been edited for clarity.

Transcript: Natalee's Friends  Go On the Record with Greta- Fox News
Transcript: Natalee's Friends Go 'On the Record'
Wednesday, June 22, 2005
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 21, 2005, that has been edited for clarity.

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Some case info to go along with this map...
(as far as I know this is all correct)

http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif

The Island is 6 to 7 miles deep by about 20 miles long

B-1 = California Lighthouse - where the boys claim they took her first after leaving the Bar.

D-3 = #4 is the location of the 2 Marriott Hotels - where the 2 brothers (and now Joran) claim they dropped Joran and Natalee off after leaving the lighthouse -  the 2 brothers claim they went home to Hooiberg after that.

D-3 = #19 is the location of the Holiday Inn where Natalee was staying.

G-5 = Where the red #2 marker is pointing to is the area that the Carlos & Charlie Bar is located

D-4 = Township of Montana is where Joran lives

F-7/8 = Hooiberg (Haystack Mountain) - The 2 Kalpoe brothers live in this area at the foot of the Haystack Mountian.

C-9 = By the Natural Bridge on the map is the location where the sharks hang out as they are fed at this location. This is the Shark Infested Feeding Area.

E-3 = Wetland in the Bird Sanctuary is the location where they found the Condoms/Condom Wrappers - Duct Tape (looked like black electrical tape to me) - Female Flowered Panties - and a String or Strap from a Bikini or Halter Top.

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PLEASE KEEP THIS THREAD
LARGE PICTURE FREE FOR DIAL UP ISP USERS.

I am asking that everyone either post just a link to the pictures they wish to share or reduce the size of the picture when you use the img src tag.

This will help greatly for us who are on Dial-up.

Examples

Just a link to a picture like this...(this is the simplest method)
http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif

or reduce this image size like this (you need to know HTML to do it this way)

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I DO NOT HAVE A PING LIST AND I DO NOT WISH TO MAKE ONE

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Just a reminder that...
THIS IS A NO LARGE
PICTURE POSTING THREAD
(please do not post large pictures on the thread - small pictures are fine as well a links to the pictures)

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This is a discussion thread about the daily occurrences in the Natalee Holloway Case.
It is located in "Chat" on Free Republic
It is not a thread for bashing Natalee - Natalee's Family or Natalee's Friends.
It also is not an ongoing discussion thread for any other cases.

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[Palladin]

Investigators sent both Sloot vehicles to their lab in Holland for extensive forensic tests.

I'm thinking the results of those tests have come back, and are part of the reason why Van der Sloot the Elder will be sitting in jail for at least two more days.

Was Natalee in Paulus's vehicle? Did they find her hair, fibers, DNA? Is this the vehicle in which the body was transported to the dock to be taken out to sea?

The Kalpoe boys may be telling the truth. When Joran called them for assistance, after the beach incident, maybe they refused, and so Joran had to call his father for help.

[nfldgirl]

Beth gleened some info then she gave it to either the police or her Aruban Attorney ... anyway it was turned over to the police. That's why she didn't keep the 3PM appointment yesterday...she knew what was probably up and knew she'd gotten an or some inconsistencies from Joran's Dad.

This could explain that look on Beth's face and the way she was walking/moving when she left the VDS's. She seemed really "out-of-it" ... nothing at all like she acted when she got there. The expression on her face was one of deep sadness and it was like her mind was really in a wirlwind.

[Howlin]

Yes, it is, so they are saying on CTV.

[Pepper777]

" Then along comes Greta...the woman (the Mom) obviously has reached a point where she needs to talk about it and come to terms with what's happened.""

I think the Mom of Juran is totally devasted by what has happened. I agree with your post. It would be very difficult to imagine your son and husband, would have done such a horrible thing. The awful possibility seems to be hitting her like a ton of bricks. I think she told the AP Service - "I don't know what to think." - or something similar to that.

This whole thing is such a horrible tragedy for Natalee and her family. I can't even imagine what they've been going thru these past weeks. Beth looked so worn out tonight. She said she could hardly get out of bed this past morning. She has said the prayers and emails of so many people were helping her to get through this. She is truly a very special person.

Prayers for Natalee and her family.

[Carolinamom]

Sounds very plausible. Where were his 2 younger brothers during all this toing and froing? With their mother or asleep at home? Has anyone asked them about their brother's coming and going? Was Joran a HS junior or senior, and if the latter, did he attend graduation ceremony?

[presently no screen name]

My bet, also.

[stlnative]

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y84/patchworkpiecer/deepak_satish_1.jpg

Here is a picture I took off the TV tonight. The mother verified who's who's in the picture on Greta's show. The Aruba Today (Tito) reporter had it wrong yesterday, and I can see why as Satish is taller and older looking than his older brother Deepak in this picture.

I thought it was interesting that Deepak keeps "his" silver car at home and that Satish drives it every night to pick up Deepak from work.

[Pepper777]

Court Tv posters are great. I've been posting there for years.

[Sunshine55]

Now that I'm thinking about it, they did NOT tell us what it actually was, did they???? Did they only say it was NOT blood??

That's correct, all they said was that it might be saliva or "something."

[shield]

This could explain that look on Beth's face and the way she was walking/moving when she left the VDS's. She seemed really "out-of-it" ... nothing at all like she acted when she got there. The expression on her face was one of deep sadness and it was like her mind was really in a wirlwind.

I didn't notice that about her when she left. I saw something different...I thought it was as if she had grabbed hold of something in that visit, she'd been looking for.

It's all so terrible for all those families involved. My heart and prayers goes out to everyone of them that's involved in this tragic happening.

Hoping our Texas Search Team are able to find Natalee~~~alive!!!

[stlnative]

The Kalpoe boys may be telling the truth. When Joran called them for assistance, after the beach incident, maybe they refused, and so Joran had to call his father for help.

I think your right... I do believe that they drop Joran and Natalee off at the beach (we hear it was near the Marriott) - Deepak and Satish's mom said that Natalee asked to go back to her hotel after the trip to the lighthouse. It sounds like the brothers did not know what hotel she was staying at, and maybe Joran said for them to just drop them off at the Marriott beach and he would see that she got back to her hotel. The boys go home and get a text message from Joran for them to come get him as he needs a ride home (about 1 hour after they dropped Joran and Natalee off at the beach). Satish takes Deepak's car to get Joran. (Deepak is saying that was Satish and not Deepak that got the call from Joran - it sounds like Satish went to give Joran a ride home) Satish goes alone in Deepak's car. Satish picks up Joran and takes him home. Joran wakes up Dad because the girl is dead and he hid her on the beach. Daddy VDS and Joran go back to the beach to get her body. Joran tells Satish and Deepak that "something bad happened" on the beach and asked that the 2 brothers say that they all dropped her off together at the Holiday Inn and and that they saw 2 security guards walk up to her when they dropped her off. Why they would lie for Joran may simply be due to who Joran's father is and that Joran's father may become a judge on the small island. Rumors were one of the brothers was/is a drug dealer. So maybe that was held over their heads.

[Howlin]

Me, too! :-)

[TexKat]

Riehl World - Two Observations

One is a personal observation I am only posting after seeing the interview with Mrs. Kalpoe tonight on Fox. I can remember when this all started and I was reviewing the boy's websites.

Just as Joran's website was noteworthy for a significant number of pictures from partying and the clubs, casinos, etc. .. the site of Satish was the opposite.

I remember pictures from field trips, archeological sites, art and so forth - I was genuinely struck by the difference in the two boys. That doesn't mean anything as far as guilt, or innocence, but it was a genuine observation.

The second observation will sound like gossip, which basically, it is - please take that into account. If it didn't come through an extremely reliable source on the island, I would not mention it at all.

In talking with an adult professional from Aruba who knew Joran, the individual stated that Joran often bragged to him of his many "sexual conquests" resulting from the use of an illicit substance slipped into a woman's drink and the Aruban individual suggested Joran was a "psychopath."

I doubt that the source of these statements is a certified psychologist, but if he is repeating these types of statements to individuals in and around the investigation, it will likely come out and be proven or disproven in any potential trial. And noone should be considered guilty of anything without one.

[Pepper777]

Really, wow~!!! :) I've mostly been here since I signed up with FreeRepublic. I'll have to go back to CTV and see what's going on. Did you ever post on the Politics board there?

[TexKat]

Unconfirmed Posted on Riehl World

hi dan, have been keeping up with your blog along the way and have to say thank you so much for all that you are doing to get the word about about natalee holoway. i am a native birminghamian (having grown up in mountain brook), now living in new york city. since it seems as though so few people from birmingham are talking i wanted to make your readers aware of some of the latest buzz going around the "tiny kingdom"...hope some of this helps...

our family has a tailor in birmingham - who is known by nearly everyone who's anyone in birmingham, a sort of "tailor of birmingham." as he dresses most of the affluent residents - from the infamous richard scrushy to the pastor of briarwood church (one of the largest churches in the US). he is the eyes and ears and a great source of information....

my uncle was in the tailor's shop earlier this week and got into a discussion about natalee holloway with in which the tailor told my uncle that the mayor of birmingham, who had also been by the shop earlier, informed him that the holloway family has already paid a ransom to natalee's captors, but has yet to receive her, although they are confident that officials are working to get her back very, very soon. this tailor's brother in law is originally from suriname (where the suspect brothers are from) and says that the island is a notorious port through which women are kidnapped and then shipped off to such far eastern locales as bankok and indonesia. being a native of suriname, he feels quite confident that this is exactly what happened to natalee and she is still alive.

you may already know most of this and i'm sure you have loads of emails to answer, but i thought i'd pass along whatever tips i have. i praise God for people like you who are working so hard to get the truth out. may God continue to bless you in your efforts. congrats on all of your great press thus far and please continue to keep us posted.

Posted by: bird78 | June 23, 2005 08:56 PM

[Palladin]

I dont know if the two younger Van der Sloots were on the trip to Holland or not. If they were home...well, maybe they are sound sleepers.

Joran did take his final exams and graduate before his arrest.

[Howlin]

Ah, yes........I have *some* trouble over there.....I've been banned and unbanned quite a few times......LOL.

Wonder where these boys are?

[Carolinamom]

Thanks. I've been in and out a lot and am just now catching up on details.

[Howlin]

You know what's so funny about that? I was going to mention to you tonight that I think Beth Holloway is the person to listen to for what is coming up in this case because she's been right about everything so far.

And I heard either she or her sister this night saying that they thought she was alive and that "they are moving her around from place to place."

Did anybody else hear that?

[hummingbird]

Has anyone thought that dear Dad might be more heavily involved than in a cover-up? The Mom was out of the country. Maybe Dad likes young girls himself. Stranger things have happened.

I wondered about that myself when I heard she was in Holland. IM(very)HO, the body language when the parents were being interviewed showed me they were not on the same page. She is heartbroken and doesn't seem to fully understand; he is nervous and acts like he knows a lot about what happened. Still photos constantly show his eyes downcast; still photos of his wife show her looking at people and like a deer in the headlights.

"Aruban Gothic."