Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 3

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[stlnative]

Previous FR Natalee Holloway Threads...

Natalee Holloway - Extended Thread 2
Posted on 06/20/2005 12:14:36 AM CDT by brigette
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1426433/posts

Natalee Holloway - Extended Thread 1
Posted on 06/16/2005 11:43:44 AM CDT by brigette
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1424188/posts

Another Twist in Holloway Disappearance
Posted on 06/14/2005 11:24:41 AM CDT by PBRSTREETGANG
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1422593/posts

Ala. Teen's Mom: Men 'Know What Happened' (Natalee Holloway)
Posted on 06/13/2005 4:01:55 AM CDT by bd476
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1421756/posts

Natalee's body found... (false report)
Posted on 06/11/2005 1:05:50 PM CDT by kcvl
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1420967/posts

Holloway Not Only American Missing In Aruba
Posted on 06/08/2005 1:25:36 AM CDT by MassRepublicanFlyersFan
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1418606/posts

Natalee Holloway (Aruba) 5 Men Now in Custody
Posted on 06/07/2005 3:35:36 PM CDT by Hillary's Lovely Legs
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1418322/posts

Aruba Info...

Full Aruba Island Maps
http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif (BEST MAP)
http://www.caribbean-on-line.com/islands/ar/images/aruba2002.gif (good map but blurry)
http://www.aruba-tours.com/art/arubaattmap1.gif

Oranjestad Aruba Street Map
http://www.caribline.com/islands/ar/images/oranjestad2002.gif

San Nicolas Street Map
http://www.caribline.com/islands/ar/images/sannicolas2002.gif

Hotel Location Maps in the California Lighthouse Area
http://www.arubaluxurycondos.com/images/arubamap1.gif
http://www.frommers.com/images/destinations/maps/jpg/176_resortareaaccomodations.jpg (NICE MAP)

Hotel Pictures - 
http://www.frommers.com/images/destinations/maps/jpg/176_resortareaaccomodations.jpg (Map)

Aruba Marriott Resort & Stellaris Casino - #1 on Map
LG Smith Boulevard #101
http://marriott.com/propertyimages/a/auaar/phototour/auaar_phototour22.jpg?Log=1

Marriott's Aruba Ocean Club - #2 on Map
LG Smith Boulevard #99
http://marriott.com/propertyimages/a/auaao/phototour/auaao_phototour01.jpg?Log=1

Holiday Inn Sunspree Resort - #3 on Map (both buildings are the Holiday Inn)
http://phototour.ichotelsgroup.com/hotelimages/AUAAN/WELCM_EXTR_02_D.jpg

Playa Linda Beach Resort - #4 on Map
http://www.playalinda.com/enghome.html

Manchebo Beach Area Map
http://www.mapsworldwide.com/mwwlive/itm_img/3897075008sam.gif

Aruba Beach Location Maps
http://www.arubariba.com/ArubamapBeachMap1.jpg
http://www.arubatravelinfo.com/maps/arubabeachmap.jpg (nice detailed map)

Aruba Township Location Map
http://www.arubarealestate.com/aruba_map/

Aruba Diving Location Maps
http://www.visitaruba.com/attractions/sunandfun/diving_a.html

Aruba Beach/Site Seeing Pictures
http://www.visitaruba.com/attractions/sunandfun/beaches.html

Aruba/Natalee - Blogs/Boards/Forums/News Feeds
http://bb.visitaruba.com/
http://www.aruba.com/msgbrd/read.php?f=1&i=124287&t=124287&v=t
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/ (Blog) - POPULAR
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/Discussion/ (Forum) - POPULAR
http://spaces.msn.com/members/amykappel/ (Blogger in Aruba)
http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/ (Blog) - POPULAR
http://joranvandersloot.blogspot.com (Blog)
http://www.hasibokos.com/hbknews/default.asp?view=day&blogDate=6/10/2005 (Blog - English Version)
http://www.i66.com/ (Natalee Holloway News Feed)

Aruba White/Yellow Pages
http://arubayp.com/

Suspect's Personal Pages or Picture Album Locations
http://www.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=14905439&Mytoken=20050613202923

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Show/Interview TranscriptsTranscript: Van der Sloots Speak Out - On the Record with Greta- Fox News
Transcript: Van der Sloots Speak Out
Thursday, June 23, 2005
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 22, 2005, that has been edited for clarity.

Transcript: Natalee's Friends  Go On the Record with Greta- Fox News
Transcript: Natalee's Friends Go 'On the Record'
Wednesday, June 22, 2005
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 21, 2005, that has been edited for clarity.

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Some case info to go along with this map...
(as far as I know this is all correct)

http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif

The Island is 6 to 7 miles deep by about 20 miles long

B-1 = California Lighthouse - where the boys claim they took her first after leaving the Bar.

D-3 = #4 is the location of the 2 Marriott Hotels - where the 2 brothers (and now Joran) claim they dropped Joran and Natalee off after leaving the lighthouse -  the 2 brothers claim they went home to Hooiberg after that.

D-3 = #19 is the location of the Holiday Inn where Natalee was staying.

G-5 = Where the red #2 marker is pointing to is the area that the Carlos & Charlie Bar is located

D-4 = Township of Montana is where Joran lives

F-7/8 = Hooiberg (Haystack Mountain) - The 2 Kalpoe brothers live in this area at the foot of the Haystack Mountian.

C-9 = By the Natural Bridge on the map is the location where the sharks hang out as they are fed at this location. This is the Shark Infested Feeding Area.

E-3 = Wetland in the Bird Sanctuary is the location where they found the Condoms/Condom Wrappers - Duct Tape (looked like black electrical tape to me) - Female Flowered Panties - and a String or Strap from a Bikini or Halter Top.

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PLEASE KEEP THIS THREAD
LARGE PICTURE FREE FOR DIAL UP ISP USERS.

I am asking that everyone either post just a link to the pictures they wish to share or reduce the size of the picture when you use the img src tag.

This will help greatly for us who are on Dial-up.

Examples

Just a link to a picture like this...(this is the simplest method)
http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif

or reduce this image size like this (you need to know HTML to do it this way)

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I DO NOT HAVE A PING LIST AND I DO NOT WISH TO MAKE ONE

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Just a reminder that...
THIS IS A NO LARGE
PICTURE POSTING THREAD
(please do not post large pictures on the thread - small pictures are fine as well a links to the pictures)

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This is a discussion thread about the daily occurrences in the Natalee Holloway Case.
It is located in "Chat" on Free Republic
It is not a thread for bashing Natalee - Natalee's Family or Natalee's Friends.
It also is not an ongoing discussion thread for any other cases.

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[demkicker]

In the end, let's hope that the suspect with the least involvement realizes that they will get a lighter sentence because of their lighter involvement and they crack...that is why I think all of them are being held on very scary charges connected to murder and kidnapping. Disposing of the body is not the worst of the crimes. Providing alibis and false timelines isn't either...the one who DID the murder is the one who has the most to lose and is the most likely to remain silent

You'll get no argument from me, but I was very disappointed to hear that Aruba doesn't offer plea bargains. And like brigette, don't ask me to produce the source of that information! I'd be happy to be proved wrong, but I know I've heard that at least twice now....

[demkicker]

Not that it means anything, but then again, maybe Satish has been telling her incriminating stuff about his brother.

Mama Kalpoe hasn't been able to speak with either of her sons since their arrests.

[Palladin]

Oh...I thought she said she had seen Satish in jail but not Deepak. Never mind.

This is more confusing than watching my soap opera, One Life To Live.

[Palladin]

The sloot's car...why does the steering wheel look like it's been chewed off? Maybe Greta's hungry monkey got in there?

[TexKat]

which could legitimately be explained as a job inquiry (as reported earlier after PvdS was turned down for a judgeship).

Why would PVDS be calling Steve Croes for a job inquiry when Steve Croes is only a DJ on The Tatoo. That lie would not go over very well.

The Croes that was trying to find PVDS a job was/is the Justice Minister.

[stlnative]

Maybe Greta's hungry monkey got in there?

Which monkey of Greta's would that be? :-)

[demkicker]

No I don't think that would be a legitimate explanation

Fox News reported that PvdS had contacted Croes looking for a job. Remember he found out a week before Natalee's disappearance that he was denied a judgeship & needed work. I can certainly see Croes getting swept up and arrested with the others just because of phone records. Personally, I doubt it, but it's possible. We keep being told that all it takes is 'suspicion' to be arrested. OTOH, the guy could be guilty as hell. I'm just 'speculating' and thinking out loud like others on this thread.

[Neenah]

Hi Varina !! I am great, and it is always so good to see your name !

Her mom and step-dad didn't seem to have much trouble zeroing in on the van der Sloots within 3 hours after they arrived in Aruba

THIS is the one thing that has me stymied. I remember the Mom telling Greta that there are things she will not tell anyone, that she knows. I would like to know more about this fast trip to the house.

[Palladin]

She has more than one?

I was referring to the VDS neighbor's starving monkey who was being fed fruit by Greta's staff (the owners were away and the poor thing was starving) and the other busybody neighbor called the cops on them for trespassing.

[varina davis]

I agree. It just seems that Natalee knew Joran rather well during the week she was there. Could they have possibly met before -- in person or online?

[stlnative]

yeah... play dumb! You left yourself wide open for my smart arse remark and I hope you know I am just teasing you. (I am trying to get rid of my headache)

[demkicker]

Why would PVDS be calling Steve Croes for a job inquiry when Steve Croes is only a DJ on The Tatoo. That lie would not go over very well.

The Croes that was trying to find PVDS a job was/is the Justice Minister.

Well, blow me down! I could have sworn that I heard Fox News report Steve Croes was a suspect because PvdS had been calling him, but the reason was supposedly about some sort of a job. I'm probably mistaken and have gotten the Croes mixed up, unless the job was to get rid of Natalee!

[Palladin]

Greta and her monkey.

[af_vet_1981]

Has the rumour that Croes is suspected of breaking into the fisherman's hut and stealing rope, tape, and an anchor been explored ?

[stlnative]

BOING... (this is a Natalee thread ALERT)

GERALDO IS COMING ON!

[Neenah]

You know...I have watched so much and read so much that the mind is blurred as to where I saw or read it, but I do remember them talking about a chat room that Joran always went to.

Then again, she was young, he was good looking, and one of the smooth talkers that was use to getting his way. He learned how to "sound" sincere. Girls fall for that one big time.

Poor little thing, she believed him. (and he was one of those that was good at it. Heck, he probably had a couple of them going at the same time. )

[af_vet_1981]

THIS is the one thing that has me stymied. I remember the Mom telling Greta that there are things she will not tell anyone, that she knows. I would like to know more about this fast trip to the house.

Cell phone conversation regarding Joran, some Internet/Email access that was traceable, or some Internet picture/movie that is only known to LEA and the family ???

[vigilante2]

This is one of JVDs buddies web page..I was reading all the messeges from american girls..he's been asking them all to come to Aruba

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=8576252&Mytoken=
 

[stlnative]

There that rejected word.... so he also said "rejected". I did not see this, only heard Geraldo talking about it. (just beat me now)

[TexKat]

From Geraldo:

The arrest of PVDS will lead to Joran confessing.

PVDS was a teacher, use to teach JM Croes is daughter. Croes think that PVDS was talking to the guys after Natalee's diappearance. Croes thinks that LE is using PVDS to put pressure on Joran. JM Croes said that the 3 guys were electronically surveiled. Croes states that any minute there should be a solution.