Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 3

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Previous FR Natalee Holloway Threads...

Natalee Holloway - Extended Thread 2
Posted on 06/20/2005 12:14:36 AM CDT by brigette
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1426433/posts

Natalee Holloway - Extended Thread 1
Posted on 06/16/2005 11:43:44 AM CDT by brigette
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1424188/posts

Another Twist in Holloway Disappearance
Posted on 06/14/2005 11:24:41 AM CDT by PBRSTREETGANG
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1422593/posts

Ala. Teen's Mom: Men 'Know What Happened' (Natalee Holloway)
Posted on 06/13/2005 4:01:55 AM CDT by bd476
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1421756/posts

Natalee's body found... (false report)
Posted on 06/11/2005 1:05:50 PM CDT by kcvl
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1420967/posts

Holloway Not Only American Missing In Aruba
Posted on 06/08/2005 1:25:36 AM CDT by MassRepublicanFlyersFan
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1418606/posts

Natalee Holloway (Aruba) 5 Men Now in Custody
Posted on 06/07/2005 3:35:36 PM CDT by Hillary's Lovely Legs
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1418322/posts

Aruba Info...

Full Aruba Island Maps
http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif (BEST MAP)
http://www.caribbean-on-line.com/islands/ar/images/aruba2002.gif (good map but blurry)
http://www.aruba-tours.com/art/arubaattmap1.gif

Oranjestad Aruba Street Map
http://www.caribline.com/islands/ar/images/oranjestad2002.gif

San Nicolas Street Map
http://www.caribline.com/islands/ar/images/sannicolas2002.gif

Hotel Location Maps in the California Lighthouse Area
http://www.arubaluxurycondos.com/images/arubamap1.gif
http://www.frommers.com/images/destinations/maps/jpg/176_resortareaaccomodations.jpg (NICE MAP)

Hotel Pictures - 
http://www.frommers.com/images/destinations/maps/jpg/176_resortareaaccomodations.jpg (Map)

Aruba Marriott Resort & Stellaris Casino - #1 on Map
LG Smith Boulevard #101
http://marriott.com/propertyimages/a/auaar/phototour/auaar_phototour22.jpg?Log=1

Marriott's Aruba Ocean Club - #2 on Map
LG Smith Boulevard #99
http://marriott.com/propertyimages/a/auaao/phototour/auaao_phototour01.jpg?Log=1

Holiday Inn Sunspree Resort - #3 on Map (both buildings are the Holiday Inn)
http://phototour.ichotelsgroup.com/hotelimages/AUAAN/WELCM_EXTR_02_D.jpg

Playa Linda Beach Resort - #4 on Map
http://www.playalinda.com/enghome.html

Manchebo Beach Area Map
http://www.mapsworldwide.com/mwwlive/itm_img/3897075008sam.gif

Aruba Beach Location Maps
http://www.arubariba.com/ArubamapBeachMap1.jpg
http://www.arubatravelinfo.com/maps/arubabeachmap.jpg (nice detailed map)

Aruba Township Location Map
http://www.arubarealestate.com/aruba_map/

Aruba Diving Location Maps
http://www.visitaruba.com/attractions/sunandfun/diving_a.html

Aruba Beach/Site Seeing Pictures
http://www.visitaruba.com/attractions/sunandfun/beaches.html

Aruba/Natalee - Blogs/Boards/Forums/News Feeds
http://bb.visitaruba.com/
http://www.aruba.com/msgbrd/read.php?f=1&i=124287&t=124287&v=t
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/ (Blog) - POPULAR
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/Discussion/ (Forum) - POPULAR
http://spaces.msn.com/members/amykappel/ (Blogger in Aruba)
http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/ (Blog) - POPULAR
http://joranvandersloot.blogspot.com (Blog)
http://www.hasibokos.com/hbknews/default.asp?view=day&blogDate=6/10/2005 (Blog - English Version)
http://www.i66.com/ (Natalee Holloway News Feed)

Aruba White/Yellow Pages
http://arubayp.com/

Suspect's Personal Pages or Picture Album Locations
http://www.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=14905439&Mytoken=20050613202923

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Show/Interview TranscriptsTranscript: Van der Sloots Speak Out - On the Record with Greta- Fox News
Transcript: Van der Sloots Speak Out
Thursday, June 23, 2005
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 22, 2005, that has been edited for clarity.

Transcript: Natalee's Friends  Go On the Record with Greta- Fox News
Transcript: Natalee's Friends Go 'On the Record'
Wednesday, June 22, 2005
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 21, 2005, that has been edited for clarity.

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Some case info to go along with this map...
(as far as I know this is all correct)

http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif

The Island is 6 to 7 miles deep by about 20 miles long

B-1 = California Lighthouse - where the boys claim they took her first after leaving the Bar.

D-3 = #4 is the location of the 2 Marriott Hotels - where the 2 brothers (and now Joran) claim they dropped Joran and Natalee off after leaving the lighthouse -  the 2 brothers claim they went home to Hooiberg after that.

D-3 = #19 is the location of the Holiday Inn where Natalee was staying.

G-5 = Where the red #2 marker is pointing to is the area that the Carlos & Charlie Bar is located

D-4 = Township of Montana is where Joran lives

F-7/8 = Hooiberg (Haystack Mountain) - The 2 Kalpoe brothers live in this area at the foot of the Haystack Mountian.

C-9 = By the Natural Bridge on the map is the location where the sharks hang out as they are fed at this location. This is the Shark Infested Feeding Area.

E-3 = Wetland in the Bird Sanctuary is the location where they found the Condoms/Condom Wrappers - Duct Tape (looked like black electrical tape to me) - Female Flowered Panties - and a String or Strap from a Bikini or Halter Top.

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PLEASE KEEP THIS THREAD
LARGE PICTURE FREE FOR DIAL UP ISP USERS.

I am asking that everyone either post just a link to the pictures they wish to share or reduce the size of the picture when you use the img src tag.

This will help greatly for us who are on Dial-up.

Examples

Just a link to a picture like this...(this is the simplest method)
http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif

or reduce this image size like this (you need to know HTML to do it this way)

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I DO NOT HAVE A PING LIST AND I DO NOT WISH TO MAKE ONE

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Just a reminder that...
THIS IS A NO LARGE
PICTURE POSTING THREAD
(please do not post large pictures on the thread - small pictures are fine as well a links to the pictures)

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This is a discussion thread about the daily occurrences in the Natalee Holloway Case.
It is located in "Chat" on Free Republic
It is not a thread for bashing Natalee - Natalee's Family or Natalee's Friends.
It also is not an ongoing discussion thread for any other cases.

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[pamlet]

Also - I got the impression at some point hearing her mother speak that when she (the mother) got to Aruba they had talked to kids that were there and knew it was Joran.. tho' maybe I misunderstood.

I think too that the kids are giving conflicting stories... BUT let's face it - they were drinking. Their memory is probably a little foggy..

[maggief]

JMO, I take what these two say with a grain of salt.

I don't know much about the guy, but when Dash is asked if she's a close friend she comes up with her pat answer, "She's pretty much the reason I passed calculus. Yes."

Translation: Not a close friend.

[demkicker]

Sounds reasonable to me. The Croes guy could easily fess up and burn all of them. I'm thinking he'll be the first to spill his guts if they did dump Natalee's body in the water. Doesn't sound like the Dutch judicial system will make any types of plea bargains. I'd think that would be very helpful about now.

[CitizenM]

Wow...Take a look at this - What one woman did to the man who raped her daughter:

Mother sets fire to her daughter's gloating rapist

The Sunday Telegraph (UK) ^ | June 26, 2005 | By Peter Upton in Alicante
Posted on 06/25/2005 8:15:44 PM EDT by aculeus

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1430687/posts

[the Deejay]

PVDS let his son drive all the time even though he was underage...

Methinks the son raises the father in that family.....but mom wears the pants.......I do think if mom had been home, none of this would have happened..... truest thing joran told so far.

[TexKat]

Even Jug Twitty said people were smoking dope on the front porch of C and C. I'm not trying to make Nat look bad but I wonder what's not being said.

I'm wondering if Natalee was warned not to go to C&C since Jug said that he had already knew about the happenings at C&C prior to Natalee leaving for the trip.

[TexKat]

The Croes guy could easily fess up and burn all of them.

The latest report is that Steve Croes and Satish may be released soon.

[Neenah]

I keep thinking of her parents. To deal with this court system has to be frustrating, and they can't do a thing about it.

That Mom is gutsy, and I hurt for her. The frustration is going to be high when she starts hitting a wall. I am sure they (govt.)is not thrilled with the American's right now, and will work against them in the future.

Thank you God, for allowing us to be born in America.

[the Deejay]

Natalee was warned not to go to C&C since Jug said that he had already knew about the happenings at C&C prior to Natalee leaving for the trip.

I heard Jug say that, too.

And she didn't heed his advice?

From the looks of that place on the outside, I sure wouldn't enter it, neither will Greta.

I was surprised she was outside of C&C's, but it was daylight and no one was around.

[TexKat]

I still don't know why Kissell would go on television and lie.

Some of the students are probably trying to ctoa, hoping that their parents will not find out what they did.

[Neenah]

According to the charts, anything tossed in the ocean would have come back to shore quickly.

I heard tonight on FOX that the guy from the Party Boat had a Dingy. They were talking about him being source to get rid of body.

This was just talk back and forth, not accusation.

[Palladin]

If sharks can kill a girl at Miramar in Destin, FL. (it happened today)--they can get a swimmer or diver off of Aruba.

Regardless of what Von Trappenberg said.

JMHO

[demkicker]

The latest report is that Steve Croes and Satish may be released soon.

Yes, I've heard that too. Will be interesting to see if the 'street talk' is true or not. I suppose there are logical reasons Croes was arrested: He's got access to a boat (to dispose of a body) and I'm sure there are phone records of PvdS calling him, which could legitimately be explained as a job inquiry (as reported earlier after PvdS was turned down for a judgeship).

[varina davis]

Hey Neenah, how're you doing? I have to wonder if Natalee and Joran were emailing prior to her trip. Seems like she got to know him awfully fast.

Also, I believe others in her family had been to Aruba previously and just maybe, got acquainted with some ilanders.

Aruba LE certainly seem to have something they're using as evidence and emails would certainly fit in. It's also something that Natalee's parents might know, but aren't able to reveal at this time.

Her mom and step-dad didn't seem to have much trouble zeroing in on the van der Sloots within 3 hours after they arrived in Aruba after Natalee's reported disappearance.

Just conjuring FWIW.

[af_vet_1981]

which could legitimately be explained as a job inquiry (as reported earlier after PvdS was turned down for a judgeship).

No

I don't think that would be a legitimate explanation. They should be able to trace how much cash PvdS withdrew. I wonder if Croes deposited any or whether they found it by searching his home or the boat.

[Palladin]

Did you get the impression that Mama Kalpoe kind of favors Satish? I did. Whenever she talked about him, her smile got broader. When she mentioned Deepak, it was hurriedly--he goes to school, he works, he's up all night on the computer.

Not that it means anything, but then again, maybe Satish has been telling her incriminating stuff about his brother.

I think the brothers will turn against each other. JMHO.

[demsux]

The sloot's car...why does the steering wheel look like it's been chewed off?

[Palladin]

Hah! Probably that EEEEVIL Frances Ellen!

(Just kidding, to those who take me seriously).

[demsux]

And she said yes and indicated that she was going back to the hotel with some other Mountain Brook students.

Did she go to Mountain Brook?