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The Truth about the Crusades: Historian reviews of "Kingdom of Heaven"
RedState.org ^ | 5/24/2005 | Thomas Woods

Posted on 05/27/2005 6:04:41 PM PDT by Claud

Not quite three weeks after the film's release we can say one thing for sure: the First Crusade was much more successful than Ridley Scott's movie.

I was stunned to hear Islamic anti-defamation groups condemn Scott's "Kingdom of Heaven." The Muslims appear much nobler than the Christians in the film, and on the Christian side the only remotely sympathetic characters are at best agnostic. Jonathan Riley-Smith, an expert on the Crusades, described the movie as "rubbish" for just this reason - the film, he says, is "not historically accurate at all" in its depiction of "the Muslims as sophisticated and civilized, and the Crusaders are all brutes and barbarians. It has nothing to do with reality." More important than the film itself, though, is the history behind the Crusades themselves. Moviegoers who knew little of the period walked away with a distorted understanding of the Crusades that played into politically correct stereotypes.

Proper context for the Crusades must begin at the beginning, with the First Crusade (1096-1099). Yet - and here is the point - even the First Crusade was not the real beginning of the story. The real beginning came in the century following the death of Muhammad in 632. During that incredible hundred years, Muslims spread their religion by force throughout Arabia, and into the modern Middle East, including Iran, Iraq, Lebanon, Palestine, and Syria, as well as into Egypt, north Africa, and Spain. Further progress into Western Europe was stopped cold by Charles Martel and his Frankish warriors at the battle of Poitiers/Tours in 732.

It is easily forgotten that some of these territories had been heavily Christian when the Muslims took them over. No one today thinks of Syria and Egypt as Christian centers, but in the seventh century they certainly were. The ancient city of Antioch had been home to a school of Christian thought second only to that of Alexandria, and Egypt had been the birthplace of Christian monasticism.

At the battle of Manzikert in 1071 much of Byzantine Asia Minor was lost to the Seljuk Turks, a group of non-Arab Muslims who were influential in the Middle East during the eleventh and twelfth centuries. Alarmed, the Byzantine emperor Alexius I Comnenus issued an appeal to the Pope in Rome, from whom the Eastern world had been estranged since the Great Schism of 1054. That pope, Gregory VII, much as he wanted to help, wound up having other fish to fry. It was Pope Urban II who issued the call for the crusade in 1095.

When the Seljuk Turks conquered Palestine in the early eleventh century they at first carried out atrocities against Christians, destroying churches and killing some of the faithful. Although this approach was soon abandoned, the internal divisions of the Seljuk Turks translated into instability in the Holy Land, where Christian pilgrimages to the city's holy places became perilous. Thus the crusade called by Urban would try to ease some of the pressure from the troubled Byzantines, but also set its sights on liberating the once-Christian Holy Land from the hands of the Muslims.

At no time did the crusaders come anywhere near Arabia, the heart of Islam, and yet most people seem to think that the Crusades were an attempt by wicked Christians to invade the Muslim world and convert its inhabitants to Christianity. To the contrary, the Christians engaged in no such forced conversion of Muslims - which would explain why, during the years following the First Crusade in which the Christians occupied Jerusalem, Muslims remained the overwhelming majority of the population.

In fact, if you had asked a Muslim as recently as the eighteenth century what the Crusades were, he would have had no idea what you were talking about. From the Muslim point of view the Crusades were such a minor affair that they were scarcely worth noting. It is largely thanks to historically recent Western guilt and hand-wringing that modern Muslims have become conscious of the Crusades at all.

None of this is an attempt to whitewash the truly despicable and inexcusable aspects of the Crusades. There were plenty of atrocities on all sides, though that is a wartime phenomenon that is not exactly unknown to the modern world. But to focus on these incidents, however cruel and however contrary to the Christian Gospel they were, in the absence of this contextual material is to miss the forest for the trees.

Thus it was that in 1095, with the assistance of no secular ruler, Pope Urban II called upon Western Christians to assist their Eastern brethren. Over the past two millennia, the Church's influence on our civilization - as I show in my new book, How the Catholic Church Built Western Civilization - has typically involved the pursuits of peace: the university system, the sciences, international law, economic thought, charitable work, the arts and architecture, and much more besides. But it also meant encouraging the Spaniards to wage a just war against their Islamic conquerors, and in the case of the Crusades to lend assistance to fellow Christians in the East who found themselves under a similar threat.

That, stated simply, is what the Crusades were about.


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KEYWORDS: catholic; crusades; dhimmi; film; history; islam; kingdomofheaven; movie; moviereview; review; ridleyscott
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To: Claud

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21 posted on 05/27/2005 8:18:41 PM PDT by chaosagent (It's all right to be crazy. Just don't let it drive you nuts.)
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To: jonathonandjennifer
Very good! May I quote you?

By all means, please feel free to do so!

:)

22 posted on 05/27/2005 8:39:49 PM PDT by Westbrook (Having more children does not divide your love, it multiplies it!)
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To: Bombard
They wiped out the Abassid Caliphate, as well as the Assassins, and took Antioch. They sought an alliance with the Crusader states,but were rebuffed (an act of stupidity that went a long way to facilitating their eventual destruction. The Mongols were stopped south of the Dead Sea around 1260, when Kedbuga, or Kit Boga, was defeated by the Mamelukes of Egypt. Interestingly enough, dynastic succession issues to the Kha Khanate, between Kubilai and his younger brother. Arik Boka, coupled with a war between the Golden Horde (converted to Islam under Berke Khan) and Kubilai's other brother, Hulegu (Buddhist) prevented the Mongols from renewing their attack on the Muslims.
23 posted on 05/27/2005 8:44:25 PM PDT by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: LS

Very creative, but having the faint whiff of equine excrement...


24 posted on 05/27/2005 9:38:28 PM PDT by Publius6961 (The most abundant things in the universe are hydrogen, ignorance and stupidity.)
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To: LS

Pope Urban sought to unite Europes rulers in the name of religion. Rulers sought their own political/economic opportunities that would come with Islams defeat.


25 posted on 05/27/2005 10:17:17 PM PDT by dznutz
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To: PzLdr

It is a little known fact that a sizable number of Mongols were Nestorian Christians. As far as the Crusader states by the time the Mongols arrived on the scene the Christian states were in severe decline. They were in no real shape to take advantage of the Mongol presence.


26 posted on 05/28/2005 5:01:45 AM PDT by Bombard
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To: Bombard

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27 posted on 05/28/2005 5:05:32 AM PDT by expatguy (http://laotze.blogspot.com/)
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To: montag813
With estimates of no more than $50 million total. KoH is one of the biggest box-office bombs in Hollywood history.

That IS good news.
28 posted on 05/28/2005 5:10:10 AM PDT by Cronos (Never forget 9/11)
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To: montag813

What about revenues from markets outside the US? Also, where did you get those statistics please? I would like to see that for other movies


29 posted on 05/28/2005 5:10:55 AM PDT by Cronos (Never forget 9/11)
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To: Bombard
In truth the Mongol invasions of the Moslem world was more important than the crusades

Quite correct -- Hulagu decimated Baghdad -- it was THE center of Islam under the Abbassids or Ummayyads (not sure) Caliphs. After the Mongol invasion it never truly recovered. The Mongols conquered Iran and large chunks of Turkey, Syria etc. before being defeated by the Mameluks of Egypt (the first time they were ever defeated)
30 posted on 05/28/2005 5:13:07 AM PDT by Cronos (Never forget 9/11)
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To: Claud
"...and in the case of the Crusades to lend assistance to fellow Christians in the East who found themselves under a similar threat..."

It seems Mr. Woods is also quilty of historical revisionism despite getting many of the facts correct. Western Christians stabbed the Byzantium in the back during the Crusades, for example, with the ransacking of Constantinople from which the city never really recovered.

31 posted on 05/28/2005 5:18:28 AM PDT by Truthsayer20
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To: Cronos

you can try www.boxofficemojo.com for a lot of movie receipts info...


32 posted on 05/28/2005 5:22:04 AM PDT by RobFromGa (Send Bolton to the UN!)
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To: Truthsayer20
That was in the 4th Crusade and it was twisted by the Doge of Venice who made the Crusaders attack Constantinople (could it be because the Doge had had his eyes gouged out by the Byzantines?)

And the Crusaders had been pretty much treated like country bumpkins by the Byzantines who played, well, Byzantine politics with them.
33 posted on 05/28/2005 5:34:14 AM PDT by Cronos (Never forget 9/11)
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To: montag813
However,

Domestic: $42,824,231 (24.9%)
+ Overseas: $129,482,270 (75.1%)

= Worldwide: $172,306,501
34 posted on 05/28/2005 5:42:06 AM PDT by Cronos (Never forget 9/11)
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To: Bombard

Hulegu's principal wife was a Nestorian Christian


35 posted on 05/28/2005 5:52:48 AM PDT by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: dznutz

Yes, he sought that too, but his motives were certainly not entirely "holy" or wholesome, and many of them were misguided (i.e., overpopulation).


36 posted on 05/28/2005 5:56:21 AM PDT by LS (CNN is the Amtrak of news)
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To: Publius6961

Read any history of the period. These were the same popes who had mistresses and illegitimate kids, so their motives were not entirely pure and holy, if at all.


37 posted on 05/28/2005 5:57:11 AM PDT by LS (CNN is the Amtrak of news)
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To: Antoninus

I can cite for you the "Truce of God" and the "Peace of God," which are anything but "revisionist." And Lynn White is pretty respectable---hardly a cynical revisionist. The fact is, the common view was that the knights had gotten out of hand, and shipping a lot of them on a mission far away would bring peace to the land.


38 posted on 05/28/2005 5:58:25 AM PDT by LS (CNN is the Amtrak of news)
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To: Cronos
Baghdad was the Abbasid Caliphate. I believe the Ummayids were centered in Cairo, where they bought Kipchak slaves fro the Mongols. The slaves became the Mamelukes, who followed the Muslim practice of starting as military units, moving to being the power behind the throne (the Ummayid Caliph), to usurping the throne and the power.
39 posted on 05/28/2005 5:58:28 AM PDT by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: Bombard

I agree. But that doesn't change the fact that IN ADDITION to "rescuing" the holy lands from the infidels, there were other, very powerful reasons for wanting large numbers of violent armed men OUT of Europe and off on a mission.


40 posted on 05/28/2005 5:59:19 AM PDT by LS (CNN is the Amtrak of news)
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