Posted on 04/05/2005 2:22:08 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
VANITY NOTICE: I've just learned that I am an "EXTREMIST!" WOO HOO!!
Nicest compliment I've received in a long time.
"Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice; moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue."
Y'all might want to be careful who you hang out with. If you are pro-God, pro-life, pro-family, pro-constitution, pro-Liberty, pro-America and post to FreeRepublic.com, you risk being labeled as an "extremist."
That puts you in the company of extremist folks like George Washington, John Adams, Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, Ben Franklin, & Co.
As extremists, "We must all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately."
Speaking of quotes from our extremist forefathers, someone sent me these this morning:
George Washington - "..And let us indulge with caution the supposition that morality can be maintained without religion... Reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail to the exclusion of religious principle."
John Adams - "Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."
James Madison - "We've staked the whole future of American civilization not on the power of government, far from it. We have staked the future ...upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves, to control ourselves, to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God. The future and success of America is not in this Constitution, but in the laws of God upon which this Constitution is founded."
Noah Webster - "No truth is more evident to any mind than that the Christian religion must be the basis of any government intended to secure the rights and privileges of a free people."
See you at the March for Justice!!
May God continue to bless and watch over America and all her extremists!
Try this on for size. Jefferson wrote and Madison proposed a law criminalizing the breaking of the Sabbath in Virginia.
It's never that easy.
And BTW, the law passed.
Tell that to Greer. He is the one who yelled from the bench that the law was Terri was going to die.
Prior to her collapse, a feeding tube was not legally "life support," so even if she asked to be removed from life support, her request cannot be legally construed so as to unequivocally conclude that she wished removal of a feeding tube.
But, if she asked not to have it [feeding tube], it ain't murder - not even by the Vatican's definition.
I am quite sure you are mistaken on the Catholic church's position as well. It holds that facilitating a hastening of death by withholding basics that support life (food, water, air, shelter) even if it is the patient's wish, is morally wrong. Legal? Maybe. But a good argument can be made that Terri's demise was against the legislative intent expressed in the totality of Florida's Section 765.
So, if she had left explicit written instructions, which were introduced in a trial that had the same outcome as this one, it would have been a "completely unfair" process. Right.
You are aware, I'm sure, that Pope John Paul II was pope in 1980...aren't you?
That's the former Pope to whom I referred.
Interesting quote. Would you have had any problem with walking up to her, putting a gun in her ear and pulling the trigger?
Hang in there, JR!
Thanks for the ping!
OK...well, he's also the same pope that clarified that food and water, even by "artificial" means is normal care, and not a medical act.
The event that spurred the march was the Supreme Court declaring it unconstitutional to execute cold-blooded, heinous murderers.Are we still talking about children or will that child molester who recently murdered that poor girl not have to worry about the death penalty?
why should you be bothered? Ignorance is bliss
Did she leave explicit written instructions? No. So let's debate the facts and not make up our own.
Correct. He said that. The Church hasn't. I've yet to hear any scholar of Catholicism - which I readily concede I am not - say that this statement was intended to change existing Church policy. I've heard many say that it did not.
I think Robin Williams actually summarized it best.
Jesus is coming back. And he's not gonna be looking like Ted Nugent. This time He's gonna look like Charles Bronson and he's gonna be gd pissed off !!
Jeb Bush asked that the case be submitted to a jury, albeit in 2003, IIRC & FWIW.
Anyhow, while it's true that the pope's teaching on this was not infallibly declared, that does not mean that Catholics can just ignore it. It is still binding to a large degree. And, given the Pope's position as head of the Magisterium, that means the Church does indeed teach what he said.
It's just that, in theory, another Pope could alter it.
Given your last post to me, I take it that this results-based determination of what is "fair" or "unfair" process is no longer your position?
Can you tell what about the process you find "unfair"?
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