Posted on 03/13/2005 1:11:03 PM PST by jan in Colorado
In Islam, lying or omissions for the 'greater good,' according to a strict or radical Islam/Islamist philosophy is not only acceptable, it is holy and blessed work. It is called al-Takeyya (or al-Taqiyya) and is a strategy outlined in the Hadiths and supported by various interpretations of some of the Suras in the Koran. We have just seen it in action and most people never even caught the whiff of mental ether the Islamists were pouring into the airways of the already comatose and choking non-Islamist world.
Al-Takeyya is a policy whereby a Muslim may lie, deceive or omit critical truths if it promotes the spreading of Islam AND the conquest of the non-Muslim world. According to William P. Welty, Ph.D., al-Takeyya/Taqiyya is:
"The Islamic principle of lying for the sake of Allah. Falsehoods told to prevent denigration of Islam, to protect oneself, or to promote the cause of Islam are sanctioned by the Qur'an, including lying under penalty of perjury in testimony before the United States Congress, lying or making distorted statements to the media such as claiming that Islam is a religion of peace and deceiving fellow Muslims when the one lying has deemed them to be apostates." (1)
And here is the definition from an Islam encyclopedia website:
"The word "al-Taqiyya" literally means: "Concealing or disguising one's beliefs, convictions, ideas, feelings, opinions, and/or strategies..." (2)
Now here's where the latest Islamist sneak maneuver of al Takeyya/Taqiyya comes into play. The Islamic Commission of Spain issued a decree against al-Qaeda terrorist leader Osama bin Laden. They did this in response to the bombing of a Madrid train last year by al Qaeda.
Mansur Escudero, head of the Federation of Islamic Religious Entities, called on clerics to formally condemn terrorism and pray for all terror victims. He went on to state, ''The terrorist acts of Osama bin Laden and his al Qaeda organization ... which result in the death of civilians, such as women and children ... are totally prohibited and are the object of strong condemnation within Islam.''
Sounds good so far.
But let's examine what this man did not say, as well as the timing of his little media-sensation fatwa.
This fatwa was timed to coincide with the 1-year anniversary of the bombing in Madrid. Sure, several hundred people died, but this is not the first time that hundreds, nay, thousands of people have died at the hands of Muslims merely because they weren't Muslim.
Therefore, one must ask why was there no such fatwa issued in the aftermath of 9-11? And why has no fatwa about the "...death of civilians, such as women and children'' ever been issued regarding the thousands upon thousands of Jewish/Israeli victims of genocidal terror ever been issued?
I will tell you why. This is al-Takeyya/Taqiyya at its most devious and deceptive. And the key word here is 'civilians.'
In radical Islam (Islamism), any Jew living in Israel is not considered either 'innocent' or a 'civilian.' Nor were the people living and working in America on 9-11. Islamists consider the 'Great Satan -- America,' and the 'Little Satan -- Israel,' to be enemy combatants. And this includes every man, woman or child, even babes in arms, even sleeping or in school or playing in playgrounds. This includes any and all who are not Islamists and who oppose being forced to kneel down and pay homage to Allah or his followers. In particular, Christians (whom they call 'Crusaders'), and Jews.
This also includes those of us who refuse to allow the Islamists to insidiously inject their politico-religious dogma into our way of life. And this especially includes Israel, whom the Islamists view as a polluting force in their quest for 'Arab unity' and a Judenrein Middle East.
So the fatwa issued by this Muslim cleric living in Spain was meant to put the free and civilized world into yet another coma. He was hoping we would see this supposedly 'peaceful and tolerant' religious edict and sing the praises of Islam and remind each other how it is a 'peaceful' religion, even though the word 'Islam' also means 'to submit,' and our utter and complete submission is what they are working towards.
The crafter of this latest religious edict, so proudly trumpeted to the world, has achieved nothing more than a clumsy attempt to delude us into thinking that Islamism is really nice and honorable and loving and peaceful. It is also meant to deceive us into believing that even though such edicts were never issued -- and will never be issued -- regarding Americans or Israelis, these particular Muslims are mainstream moderates.
Camel cakes! We are now familiar with the ploy of lying, omissions and deceit as sanctioned by al-Takeyya/Taqiyya. And some of us are not in a humanist/liberal feel-good coma like lambs going to the slaughter. And we will continue to alert you to the deceptions used by the Islamists.
The lesson to be learned here is not to look for what is said, but what is deliberately not said. If anything, this fatwa, by its omissions and timing (or lack thereof) has simply reinforced the fact that the Islamists do not see Israel or Judeo-Christian America as 'innocent.' It has reaffirmed that they see us all as ripe for deceit and murder in the name of Allah.
Teh entire Koran is about killing non-Muslims? That is just silly on the face of it. It shows your animus against anyone of a different religion from yours.
"Down in Africa, black folks are hoilding other people in slavery"
Your simplified version of the slave trade in Africa leaves out one important fact....the black 'folks' holding others in slavery are MUSLIMS.
Do not tell me that all the 'moderate' muslims living in our country are any different from their brothers doing all the nasty deeds.
The moderates are either cowards waiting for the outcome in our struggle against them,
or
they are sleepers waiting for the call.
"We don't do that kind of bigoted hate here at FR."
You are correct, we do not do that here.
We engage in objective and spirited discussion here.
You are out of line accusing other posters here of expressing bigoted hate.
Many of us have read the koran and hadiths.
We are expressing informed opinions.
Live with it or skulk off. We are not going to put up with your insinuations.
I find it amusing that every time someone tries to defend islam as a peace loving religion, instead of bringing out a provable argument (there isn't one) or showing evidence,(there is none) they have to try and attack Christianity. Jesus, who is the Son of God, and the HEAD of the Christian church, taught love and forgiveness, not hate and vengeance.
For you to even attempt to compare Christianity with islam would be insulting if it wasn't so ludicrous.
Christians were warned of what was to come...
"But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will also be false teachers among you, who will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing swift destruction upon themselves." 2 Peter 2:1
Take some time and study the life of Jesus and if you can stomach it, the life of Mohammed, then get back to me and we can compare the Light with the Darkness.
You're kind just can't get off that buzzword, "bigot", can you?
You can love the muzzies all you want, maggot, but read the Quran before you make that decision.
You jumped into a discussion we have had many times, and all of us who are strong in our views HAVE read the Quran and the Hadith.
I have personally lived in the MidEast with the muzzies. Unless you've walked in my shoes, back off that "bigot" label!
Excellent comment from you Jan. I see 'we' are once more communicating with someone who uses the same old same old tactics that I am so very very tired of. We discuss islam as a system of belief, we research, we quote sources, provide photographic evidence of the terrible atrocities islam commits, not only against those they call filthy kuffar or infidels, but against their own people. And along comes another one, putting words in our mouths, twisting facts to suit their pathetic, unsustainable argument: That it is us who are throwing all muslims into the same basket, so to speak.
If you read carefully, the accusation is always the same. I guess the accusers believe if they say it often enough, it will sound like the truth. And the accusation, what is it really?
That 'we' are muslim-bashing, intolerant, bigoted.
I would like to say - one more time - our argument, our disgust, is with islam as a system of belief. There are now too many muslims thoughout the world who agree with us, who have themselves declared the evil that islam is, for me personally, to take any further notice of the aplogoists who pop their silly heads into FR.
http://www.faithfreedom.org/
>> You can't just condemn an entire people becaue some of them engage in terrorism. <<
I don't hear any muzzies speaking out against terrorism. Not one. That make this all complicit. ALL OF THEM.
The koran teaches muzzies that it's good to lie to infidels. The fatwa against OBL is nothing but a lie.
Open your eyes and look around before it's too late.
Here we go again... someone throwing around the word "bigot" to defend a bigoted ideology that promotes bigoted gender and religious apartheid...
Do defenders of Islam not understand a few basic things... that islam is an intolerant ideology, or that sharia is a political system and a cornerstone of Islam... or that a Muslim is supposed to emulate the examples of Muhammed.... do they want to get into it and compare the examples of Muhammed... his wars, genocide, slavery and pedophilia with someone like Jesus?
Do you not know that some suras are abrogated, that later intolerant versus of the Quran replaced earlier more peaceful ones.... or that islam sells the belief that the quran is to be viewed differently than how Christians view the bible... that the entire Quran is the exact words of Allah as revealed to the head pedophile and is to be followed to the letter, and the hadeeths and sunna are examples for Muslims to follow... or that any innovations away from the purist line is considered biddah?
At times I think I need to write up another MEMO to TROLLS, the clueless, the unenlightened, apologists etc so I don't have to keep repeating myself.
BTW, this comes from someone who has lived as a Dhimmi expat, whos seen, lived and dealt with Islamic bigotry (for all those who love that word) up close.
Me thinks it's time to get to work a MEMO to the "Cry Bigot!" crowd to post up each time they appear, in order to prevent future threads from being hijacked...
Thank God there enough of us on FR who know what we are talking about to refute the shallow, monotonous claim of "bigotry".
I don't know that it would do any good, but a MEMO to muzzie apologists might save a lot of typing the same things over and over.
Thanks for offering USF.
How long will it take you to finish it?
Methinks the same. May I be the first one to nominate you to write the Memo? I think "Cry Bigot" might be a very good title! Second choice..."Here We Go Again" ?
"Me thinks it's time to get to work a MEMO to the "Cry Bigot!" crowd to post up each time they appear, in order to prevent future threads from being hijacked..."
Yes USF, a memo would save time and thoughtful responses, but I thrive on the energy of our answers to the apologist crowd. I am uplifted by the pure power of our well thought out responses to this wishy washy bunch of apologists.
These dreamers seem to come at us with the same canned answers.....BIGOT, RACIST ad nauseum.
We must continue to hone our rebuttal skills because they will be necessary to use to convince our own countrymen.
This struggle against evil is too important to rest on any canned responses. We MUST think on our feet, before they start thinking they can cut us off at our feet.
A memo would be a good way to save time.
How about a comparision between the teachings of koran vs. the Bible. I would love to help.
What do you folks think?
Good thought, Bennett, but I know how everyone of us are.
We all believe strongly, and there's no way we'll keep our fingers off the keyboard when an apologist appears.
We will not hide our light under a basket.
Our hard gained information will be like a beacon for all the world to see the horror that is Islam.
Bennett, you can be in charge of Posts that show TROP for what it is in glorious colour. We will contribute towards your photograph collection.
USF, you have a Memo to write. It will be useful to save time in replying to irritants who evidently have never bothered to research TROP - who have no knowledge of islam or its history.
Jan, your love, your devotion to scripture, particularly the New Testament shall be your weapon against the evil that islam would do to us all, if allowed.
Together we will fight this evil presence on earth that dares to call itself a religion.
Texas Cowboys, Former Dodgers, Swordfish, All for One and One for All: the Last Crusade commences!
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