Blue states buzz over secession

Washington Times ^ | 11/09/04 | Joseph Curl

[kattracks]

Secession, which didn't work very well when it was tried once before, is suddenly red hot in the blue states. In certain precincts, anyway.
     One popular map circulating on the Internet shows the 19 blue states won by Sen. John Kerry — Washington, Oregon, California, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan, Illinois, Maryland and the Northeastern states — conjoined with Canada to form the "United States of Canada." The 31 red states carried by Mr. Bush are depicted as a separate nation dubbed "Jesusland." The idea isn't just a joke; one top Democrat says, "The segment of the country that pays for the federal government is now being governed by the people who don't pay for the federal government."
     "Some would say, 'Oh, poor Alabama. It's cut off from the wealth infusion that it gets from New York and California,' " said Lawrence O'Donnell, a veteran Democratic insider and now senior political analyst at MSNBC. "But the more this political condition goes on at the presidential level of the red and blue states, the more you're testing the inclination of the blue states to say, 'So what?' "
     Mr. O'Donnell raised the subject of secession on "The McLaughlin Group" during the weekend. "Ninety percent of the red states are welfare-client states of the federal government," said Mr. O'Donnell, who was an aide to Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynihan.

[Mr. Keys]

It seems to me that even in most blue states a large part of the voters are from the inner city including the, um, ghetto. Are the blue states really paying the bills ?

[Robert_Paulson2]

check out map on post 11...
perhaps red counties would be more accurate for me to say...
but you see the balance of tillable soil power.

Percentage wise, the vast majority of the nation's food... comes from the red (counties). Even if they may be blue states. MANUFACTURING largely comes from the blue counties, AKA cities.

The headwaters for the rivers... are largely sourced in the red counties as well.
I have seen this for decades, everytime I fly over it.
Without the food and water that flows from the reds, the blues would be deads.

(that rhymes)

nighty nite!

[MissouriConservative]

I agree. Kansas, Nebraska, and Missouri feed the nation. We have tons of fresh water in aquifers under Kansas...My favorite river, the Missouri, starts in a red state (Montana) and runs through red states until it hits st. louis....Texas cattle, Kansas Cattle, I could go on and on......

Let the blue states/counties leave if they desire....we don't need them....we have what we need.

[tophat9000]

The segment of the country that pays for the federal government is now being governed by the people who don't pay for the federal government.

O man the neo Confederates that hang out on FR have GOT to be laughing their asses off right now... these guys are using the same argument they do for the real reason for the civil war ... of course we have the same answer... you lost, deal with it

[AntiGuv]

These are the top 10 states according to per capita income.

Connecticut: 43,173
New Jersey: 40,427
Massachusetts: 39,815
Maryland: 37,331
New York: 36,574
New Hampshire: 34,702
Minnesota: 34,443
Colorado: 34,283
California: 33,749
Illinois: 33,690

These are the bottom 10 states according to per capita income.

Kentucky: 26,252
South Carolina: 26,132
Louisiana: 26,100
Montana: 25,920
Idaho: 25,911
New Mexico: 25,541
Utah: 24,977
West Virginia: 24,379
Arkansas: 24,289
Mississippi: 23,448

It is virtually axiomatic that the more urbanized a state/nation, the more wealthy .. and vice versa.

[nopardons]

Yes,counties would be much better.Even though the map doesn't show it,I live in a RED county,in an all blue state. :-(

[beaversmom]

That's an excellent idea! You should make the flyer seem like you are one of them. If they knew it was a conservative asking them to leave, they would stay just to make us mad.

[FredZarguna]

Nobody is getting one square inch of my beloved Pennsylvania except over my dead body, and plenty of theirs. This is where the Liberty Bell rang first, the high water mark of the Confederacy ebbed, and the first American counterattack in the war on Terror was launched. They get Nuthin' from here. In a few days, there will be 1.5 million men under arms in the woods of this beautiful, sacred place. How many do you think come from Blue Counties? Not many. Let 'em leave, but they aint taking any of Pennsylvania with them.

Not even on paper.

[Bogolyubski]

You raise an interesting point. The great problem, of course, is that the Democratic party has been purged of the Zell Millers (old-fashioned populist Dems), Henry "Scoop" Jacksons (Dems for a strong National Defense), and - soon - Ed Kochs (Patriotic liberals). The shadow party, made up of hard-core anti-American leftists, controls the whole machine. The folks you call upon to renounce this type of idiocy are much too few now. The voices of reason have been driven out.

Not only are they talking treason now (as you mention), they ran a traitor for president. He gave aid and comfort to our enemies in time of war. The fact that he ended up as the nominee tells us all we need to know about the Democrat party and its intentions for the nation. At the end of the day, there can be no reconciliation with these folks. They despise America and their desire is to transform it - by any means necessary - into a socialist utopia. Absent an opportunity to mold America into their twisted image, they will opt to side with the jihadis in bringing about its demise. The history of the least century should tell any sensible person where such thinking ends up: With mountains of corpses and rivers of blood like those in Russia, Germany and China. An amicable divorce would truly be the best alternative.

[MissAmericanPie]

The blue states are staying, the liberals can leave the country. Please leave the country, we don't want you here. Don't let the screen door catch you on the heel when you leave. Just leave.

[Southack]

""Some would say, 'Oh, poor Alabama. It's cut off from the wealth infusion that it gets from New York and California,' " said Lawrence O'Donnell, a veteran Democratic insider and now senior political analyst at MSNBC..."

Here's what kills me, the Old Media bigotry is so pronounced that even when recognized Democratic Party insiders bash Alabama, the New York Times, LA Times, and Washington Post will refuse to publish a single rebuttal from anyone who actually *lives* in Alabama.

I've been published in the Houston Chronicle, Dallas Morning News, Mobile Register, Huntsville Times, Village Voice, Birmingham News, Tuscaloosa Times, etc., but the New York Times, LA Times, and Washington Post won't publish something from myself or any other Alabamian in defending our state against gratuitous attacks printed in their publications.

It's always a one-way street. Some leftist gets to take pot shots at us, and we are denied the right to fire back.

Of course, the reason is simple: our counter-arguments are so morally and logically superior that they would embarrass and soundly refute the attacks on our fair state...should such arguments ever be given newsprint.

The Left simply fears us, Village Voice excepted.

[Bogolyubski]

Good point, but how long do you think the reconquistadores would put up with taking orders from Grand Field Marshall Michael Moore and President Barbara Boxer? They'd declare the place the new Mexican province of California Norte in short order, after a quick coup d'etat. (my apoplogies for the French term!)

[Angry Enough]

Lawrence O'Donnell, a veteran Democratic insider and now senior political anal-yst at MSNBC.

Does that not say it all?

Mr. O'Donnell raised the subject of secession on "The McLaughlin Group" during the weekend.

If the country is divided it's because of political hacks like this joker who foment the division.

[fire_eye]

I think if we can maintain control of the Executive and the Legislative through the 2008 elections, we *will* see them start leaving. They can't *stand* seeing the country not going "Their" way, and they'll start leaving for somewhere where they're more "comfortable".

We just haven't raised their misery above their threshold of tolerance, yet... they're still clinging to what vestiges of hope they can muster, visions of Hitlary dancing through their drug-addled heads... One more Republican President - particularly if we can get a Senate majority and rearrange the Supreme Court - ought to do it.

*Then*, they'll shut up and scram for Sweden, or England, France - or maybe even just go back to Hell.

[Alaska Wolf]

Canada will be holding elections in the next 18 months. Things haven't been going smoothly for the liberals. Wouldn't it be delicious irony if thousands of fleeing US libs came under a conservative Canadian government only months after their arrival?

[fivekid]

I'm embarrassed to be a Blue Stater

Me too:(

[Allegra]

I vote we cut them off from food and manufactured goods.

And oil. They hate oil, anyway. Let 'em travel on horseback and use candles to light their homes.

[.44 Special]

Mine eyes have seen the glory of the coming of the Lord,
He is trampling out the vintage where the grapes of wrath are stored,
He has loosed the fateful lightening of His terrible swift sword...

And once again seccessionists will find out the terrible truth of the above.

They'll not take one teaspoon of soil from the Union.

And this time the South fights with us!!!

[JoeGar]

The blue counties should be allowed to secede. They are welfare counties, leeches paying little in taxes but living off of the rest of the counties.

[tm22721]

Do the blue states really think their red counties (the ones with all of the guns) will stand for a Communist government ?

The blue states may soon run red...with blood.

BUMP