Posted on 11/08/2004 11:00:51 PM PST by kattracks
Secession, which didn't work very well when it was tried once before, is suddenly red hot in the blue states. In certain precincts, anyway.
One popular map circulating on the Internet shows the 19 blue states won by Sen. John Kerry — Washington, Oregon, California, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan, Illinois, Maryland and the Northeastern states — conjoined with Canada to form the "United States of Canada." The 31 red states carried by Mr. Bush are depicted as a separate nation dubbed "Jesusland." The idea isn't just a joke; one top Democrat says, "The segment of the country that pays for the federal government is now being governed by the people who don't pay for the federal government."
"Some would say, 'Oh, poor Alabama. It's cut off from the wealth infusion that it gets from New York and California,' " said Lawrence O'Donnell, a veteran Democratic insider and now senior political analyst at MSNBC. "But the more this political condition goes on at the presidential level of the red and blue states, the more you're testing the inclination of the blue states to say, 'So what?' "
Mr. O'Donnell raised the subject of secession on "The McLaughlin Group" during the weekend. "Ninety percent of the red states are welfare-client states of the federal government," said Mr. O'Donnell, who was an aide to Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynihan.
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All I can say is they aren't taking CA. It's too nice and too beautiful out here. Maybe the State Dept. can work on a diplomatic solution to get these losers permanent residency in Canada - even pay the moving costs. It would cost this country less, in the long run.
I think we could solve much of this problem by sawing off the northeast at the Hudson River and letting it join Canada.
In return, it would only be fair to receive western Canada beyond Thunder Bay to Vancouver.
Of course, what is being discussed is a very natural possible break-up coming in the not so distant future.
The fault lines will be the first foothill of the Appalachian front range on the east from the Kennebec River in Maine down to around Bull Run, down the Potomac, up the Chesapeake, and across the C&D Canal to the Delaware Bay and the Atlantic in the east, and the Coast Range north from LA to northern California, then the Cascades up to the Canadian border.
let them eat sand and salt water.
all the crops and potable water, originate or are completely controlled by....
you got it....
the red states.
"Ninety percent of the red states are welfare-client states of the federal government," said Mr. O'Donnell, who was an aide to Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynihan.
So, is he saying that the poor don't pay their fair share? I thought they were all for the wealthy paying for everything?
grrr...there is too much blue in my state!
see,
red controls ALL the food and freshwater for the nation.
let em starve.
I just wrote a reply on my own blog but I'll comment here as well: I think this is VERY dangerous.
It isn't because I think they will actually secede, but because this is the start of a domestic terrorist ideology.
Whichever Democrats are left who hold any values and love of this country should denounce this RIGHT NOW. Why are they letting this continue? They know what this will lead to. Are they that power hungry that they would see people killed by anarchist bombs in the streets just to blame Bush for it all?
I know that some Democrats are that low, but there must be a few who are not. Look at Zell Miller and Ed Koch - lifelong Democrats who have some sense. And there are others as well. They must stand up and denounce this loudly. If they do not, then I really have no hope for the Democratic party. They are talking treason at this point, and it isn't funny. They can't actually gather a military force to engage in a civil war, but you all know full well what a few nut jobs inspired by this kind of crap can do with some well-planted pipe bombs.
This is incredibly dangerous and it shouldn't be the subject of jokes from the Democratic side. But all we hear from them is silence. That isn't good enough. They need to speak loudly and clearly that this will not be tolerated. As much as they hate Bush, they must not encourage this sort of thing.
As a matter of fact -- I heard that San Francisco (a Blue state) has about the lowest homeownership in the country (35%) and a huge part of the population there is on assistance.
Illinois, the state of my birth, being considered a blue state makes me sick. If it wasn't for Cook County (Chicago) Illinois would be a red state.
The portion of Illinois south of I-80 should form its own state. There are a lot of people in Central and Southern Illinois who would agree with this.
The Blue state people really have a false sense of exaltedness. None of them seem to realize that food and timber come from Red areas.
NOt anymore. They can get their food thru Mexico, goods from China and timber from Russia. They no longer need us thanks to unFree Trade.
Ah feel yore pain!
Let the Northeast secede from Philly.
And, hereafter, they shall be known as Northeast Cheese Steaks...
I have thought printing up a flyer extolling the virtues of Canada would be good to put on the Bush hater's cars (I'm near Seattle). A Kerry/Edwards stiker wouldn't get one - only those with REDEFEAT BUSH, Lick Bush , etc. would get it.
A teacher at my son's school is from Canada, been here 20 years, got her citizenship three years ago. She said she will be moving back to Canada because of Bush's reelection.
I asked my wife if she offered to help the lady pack!
You'll have to deal with the Cherusker on that one...
See #36.
Oh yea, DOA, just as this subject is
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Please don't make such false,broad statements,my old friend.It only incites me to correct the erroneous data.;^)
They can leave Pennsylvania out of this wacko idea. sKerry only won by a little over 100,000 which is all the dead people in Philadelphia and Pittsburgh.
If our Governor, Fast Eddy, were to allow absentee ballots to be counted, I'm sure it would be even less.
Larry O'Donnell Senior was a big Kennedy man. He may have been the DNC chairman. Larry Junior's uncle and cousin were also big-time Democrats. So the Democratic Party is his family's bread and butter, and likely also their religion as well. Most other Blue Staters probably don't share such passionate adhesion to the Democratic Party.
I doubt we can go back to the age of city-states without us all being losers. Florence or Weimar might be a nice ideal, but Cleveland and Philadelphia will be much worse off if they try to go it alone.
And if the country falls apart, there's no telling how much we'd lose both materially and in terms of ideas. America counts for something in the world. And not just because of our size or wealth or power, but because of the committments, traditions, attachments, and associations that are tied up with our notion of "America" or the "United States."
Something of great value will be lost if what we consider to be "our country" shrinks to a fraction of our current size. Secession or fragmentation means a smaller future -- even if, as probably isn't the case, it could be shown that it would make us all richer.
Just for the sake of pretty silly argument, keep in mind a rather big chunk of the U.S. military assets are in California.
The illegals (which they would swiftly legalize) would provide all the grunts they could possibly need, and more.
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