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Kids are Overrated
No Marriage.com ^ | 11/05/04 | Embittered Young Guy

Posted on 11/05/2004 11:52:42 AM PST by iheartusa

There is an unspoken taboo in our society where if you admit that having kids wasn't quite what you thought it would be and that if you could do it all over again that you would have chosen NOT to have kids, that you are a monster, an evil, despicable monster. The truth is a large percentage of parents HATE being parents. They will never say it out loud and they can't even admit that to themselves because "only an evil demon" would come to that conclusion, they think. However, underneath it all, underneath all the B.S. is the truth that we all know: Children are overrated. For every precious moment where the little brat does something special, there are 1,000 moments where they drive you crazy. They literally tear your life upside down. Marriage, sex life, your wives appearance, your social life, the list goes on and on and on. Oh yeah, the worst part is yet to come - the teenage years. I could write volumes on this subject. The reason people have children is because of this unwritten societal norm where the standard is to get married and immediately begin to produce offspring because "that's the thing to do". Here's another fact for you if you're interested in the subject: the highest points of martial satisfaction are: 1) after the kids leave and 2) before the kids were born. Look it up, it's true.

I decided not to have kids or a wife... And haven't regretted it one bit!!! I look at all my sorry faced friends straining to make ends meet, having the endless honey do lists, soccer games, Dr bills, bitching, whinny little brats, debt up their asses!!.....and me....well I focused on work and saving money and have no debt, date all different kinds of women, no strings attached, buying a brand new custom house that my friends and family can only dream about, and will be able to retire at 45..... Yea, I may grow up old and have no one but look....most of you will be divorced and so broke after raising kids, alimony, child support, kids college...that you will have nothing to show for it when you are 65 and still have to work till your are dead......sorry thats reality. My relatives have given up asking. They know better. Then someone always pulls me aside and says, "I would love to have your life".

I think most people end up having kids because 1) They're too stupid to know how to use birth control properly and/or 2) They have an idealistic, completely unrealistic vision of what parenthood entails. People imagine dressing their daughter in pretty clothes, or playing catch with their son. They don't think about being awoken at 2 a.m. by a sick, screaming kid who just threw up all over the bed, and who doesn't give a shit that you have to get up for work in four hours. They don't think about the mortgage company threatening to foreclose, or the electricity being shut off, because the husband can't pay all the bills on one income. More people should think about these things, and fewer people should be having children. Parenthood should be left to those few couples who are willing to take the good with the bad.

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KEYWORDS: parenthood
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To: Zevonismymuse
we know many people our age who do not have children. We feel so bad for them. They have no idea what joy they missed.

They may be feeling the same thing about people who have children. It's what makes each person happy, I think.

141 posted on 11/05/2004 12:49:23 PM PST by A Ruckus of Dogs
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To: freedumb2003
I am asking to be fair and understand that child free people pay way more than "their fair share."

I don't remember where, but I saw a study a while back that showed that the net cost/benefit to society of having a child is very nearly zero. (They actually couldn't determine whether it was positive or negative). If this is the case, then childless people aren't "selfish", and those with children aren't "freeloaders".

142 posted on 11/05/2004 12:51:34 PM PST by ThinkDifferent (A plan is not a litany of complaints)
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To: Fudd
Thank you for this reply.

I must admit as a parent of three children that I fit the description of the struggling parent the author describes. It is not easy being a parent, but nothing of true value comes easily. I may at times dream of what my life would be without children and wife. Invariably, the ultimate conclusion is a realization of the stark loneliness of bachelorhood.

The Maker had it right-"it is not good for man to be alone".
143 posted on 11/05/2004 12:51:49 PM PST by Emerging Patriot
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To: TheBigB

Having kids, elevates us. We learn from sharing, purpose, responsibilty, which we wouldn't otherwise. We must be sure who we choose. It can be wonderful. My son gives me more than I ever gave him.(not money), but true love and respect. I can't imagine life without him. (Chemo for a year)


144 posted on 11/05/2004 12:51:51 PM PST by Old anti feminist
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To: gridlock; iheartusa
For somebody who claims to be so happy, he doesn't seem very happy, does he?

As a nurse at people's deathbeds - I've seen people completely alone, no family, no friends just staff - and then those surrounded by their loved ones - at that time of death, your last thoughts are of the life you led, the family you loved.

I believe it's a pretty lonely life the writer is leading, and he's only kidding himself.

One of life's greatest joys is to love someone else besides yourself - and feel that love returned.

145 posted on 11/05/2004 12:52:48 PM PST by SunnyUsa (Just Leave McGreevey - You are unfit to govern.)
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To: iheartusa
I wonder how many people feel this way?

I wish more people felt that way. People who don't really want to be parents usually suck at it. We need more good parents and fewer who feel forced into it.

146 posted on 11/05/2004 12:53:26 PM PST by Protagoras (.Abolishing government schools is the first step in stopping the madness.)
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To: ThinkDifferent
If this is the case, then childless people aren't "selfish", and those with children aren't "freeloaders".

Fair enough.

147 posted on 11/05/2004 12:55:01 PM PST by freedumb2003 (The cool points are out the window and you got me all twisted up in the game)
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To: paulcissa
It took me and my wife living through the horror of 9/11 to decide that we really did, in our heart of hearts, want to have a family to raise and cherish. Before that, our perspectives we're quite different.

9/11 changed our priorities with regard to our family as well. I left my career and became my kids' mom; we have not wanted for anything, the kids all remain in private schools, and Mr. S_S29 takes great comfort knowing that while he is on the road and working hard to provide for us, I am available to our children 24/7.

God has indeed blessed us.
148 posted on 11/05/2004 12:56:39 PM PST by Sweet_Sunflower29 (The people voted- - America has SPOKEN!!)
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To: iheartusa

It's obvious that the guy doesn't have kids. Kids can be a trial sometimes, but the rewards far outweigh any of that.


149 posted on 11/05/2004 12:57:12 PM PST by DouglasKC
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To: A Ruckus of Dogs

I don't disagree with you. I put myself in that category for many years.


150 posted on 11/05/2004 12:57:36 PM PST by paulcissa (Only YOU can prevent liberalism.)
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To: Pharmboy

To each there own, and I defiantly think people should never go into parenthood without a 100% percent commitment because it takes even more than that. But before I had children I never knew love could be this huge, this rewarding, this encompassing, this intense. I love my husband more than I think I ever would have seeing the kind of father he is to our boys.The day our six week old son had to go into surgery I looked into the eyes of my husband and I could see his soul. I will never forget the moment when I was simultaneously scared out of my mind for our son, begging the Lord for mercy and I knew my husband really was a great man, everything I thought he was and more. (God granted us that mercy and so many more ) I know it sounds cliché but from the bottom of my heart I tell you even with all the struggles and rewards I would give up anything including my own life to have the honor, the blessing , the joy of being my sons mother.


151 posted on 11/05/2004 12:58:40 PM PST by Pacothecat
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To: Mad Dawg
If you don't have kids, you don't get any social security checks.

Fine, but you shouldn't be required to pay into SS, either. I'd happily opt out of SS if I could.

But leaving aside the love we have for our kids, who does this yahoo think is going to keep him fed and housed when he's too old to work or care for himself?

It's amazing how deeply the socialist mindset has sunk into even FR. Your question is based on the assumption that SS is something government should even be doing.

152 posted on 11/05/2004 1:00:09 PM PST by Modernman (Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys. - P.J.)
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To: freedumb2003
This is silly because everyone who works pays into the social security program, so you are entitled to benefits that you paid for! End of story.
153 posted on 11/05/2004 1:00:57 PM PST by iheartusa
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To: iheartusa
This is silly because everyone who works pays into the social security program, so you are entitled to benefits that you paid for! End of story.

That's not how SS works. You are not paying into the system for your own benefits, you're paying other peoples' benefits.

It's basically a giant pyramid scheme.

154 posted on 11/05/2004 1:03:04 PM PST by Modernman (Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys. - P.J.)
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To: Mad Dawg

Totally unfair. Not all people without children are by choice. Some have already spent far more than the expense of a child's first car and college education in just the effort to have a child. Word of advice...don't always assume that childless couples choose that lifestyle.

Terminal illness sometimes sounds easier than infertility. I mean, who is going to keep me fed and housed when I'm old if all childless couples indiscriminately are cut off from social security.


155 posted on 11/05/2004 1:03:09 PM PST by We Want a Shrubbery
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To: iheartusa

I don't know about all the other responses here...but, I believe the last 2 paragraphs seem to reflect the authors disdain at alot of parents who are irresponsible in raising kids. There are alot of them out there...I see it everyday. If I'd have to guess, the authors parents were probably not the most responsible of people; and that lead to gross dysfunction within his family. His ultimate point is well taken...don't have kids if you can't be responsible for them.


156 posted on 11/05/2004 1:03:18 PM PST by BureaucratusMaximus ("We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good" - Hillary Clinton)
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To: iheartusa
I focused on work and saving money and have no debt, date all different kinds of women, no strings attached, buying a brand new custom house that my friends and family can only dream about, and will be able to retire at 45

This guy makes a good case for not having children at the time in life when most people have them. However, he doesn't make his case for not having them at all. Once the retirement account is well-filled, other assets are built up, debt paid down, and lots of life experience is accumulated, having children doesn't bring the same sort of stress as it does for someone who's worried about not being able to make the mortgage payment, much less save for retirement. His 45 retirement age leaves plenty of time to have and enjoy children. Women's biological clock? Put your embryos in the freezer, and have children when you're good and ready.

157 posted on 11/05/2004 1:03:53 PM PST by GovernmentShrinker
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To: iheartusa

Too bad this schmuck's parents didn't feel the same way. Family is life.


158 posted on 11/05/2004 1:06:48 PM PST by whd23
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To: Hildy
Your decision not to have children is certainly yours to make. If you are happy with that decision then more power to you.

For what it is worth, I would give everything I own, including all the rest of the days of my life, to spend five more minutes with my son.

http://www.jsonline.com/news/metro/sep04/258485.asp?format=print
159 posted on 11/05/2004 1:06:55 PM PST by BraveMan
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To: iheartusa
I would do it all over again and if I could, I would have had two more.

He must be talking about all those liberals who wish they aborted their kids.

160 posted on 11/05/2004 1:08:37 PM PST by pray4liberty (Jesus has saved us! The Victory is the Lord's!)
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