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Russian Expert Says Flu Epidemic May Kill Over One Billion This Year
Mosnews ^ | 10/28/04

Posted on 10/28/2004 10:07:24 AM PDT by anniegetyourgun

The world is on the brink of a major flu epidemic — one that could claim more than a billion lives, the head of the Russian Virology Institute, Academician Dmitry Lvov said at a press conference organized by the RIA-Novosti news agency on Thursday.

“Up to one billion people could die around the whole world in six months,” Lvov said. The expert did not give a timeframe for the epidemic, but said that it is highly probable that it will start this year. “We are half a step away from a worldwide pandemic catastrophe,” the academic said.

The Russian expert said that U.S. researchers possessed data suggesting that if a pandemic hits, up to 700,000 people will fall ill in the United States. He said that the population of the United States can be roughly compared to that of Russia and thus the number of cases will be approximately the same.

The academician said the pandemic was most likely to be caused by the so-called bird flu stem. “The death rate among those who contract this type of flu reaches 70 percent,” Lvov said.

The expert called for the Russian authorities to prepare for the epidemic. The country will need a reserve of at least 300,000 hospital beds if an epidemic breaks out, he said.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Russia
KEYWORDS: avianflu; birdflu; elbowroom; flu; h5n1; health; influenza; overpopulationsolved; pandemic
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THey have been saying that for the last 2 years. I have never had a flu shot and have never caught the aachoooo, excuse me, flu.


61 posted on 10/28/2004 11:13:28 AM PDT by okkev68
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To: HoosierFather
If you define "within the realm of possibility" as being anything above a zero percent chance of happening, well then yes, I suppose a disease killing off 16-20 percent of the world's population is indeed within the realm of possibility.

Under this definition, it's within the realm of possibility that I could win the Mega-Millions lottery this week, that a large meteor could hit the earth within the next several years, or that the Boston Red Sox could win the World Series in my lifetime (whoops, strike that last one).

The real question for serious people is: what are the actual odds of such a cataclysmic event happening? Five percent, once percent, .001 percent? Without this kind of perspective, it moves from the realm of the serious to mere fearmongering. Medicine has advanced just a little bit since 1918.

62 posted on 10/28/2004 11:19:04 AM PDT by jpl (How do you ask someone to be the next innocent civilian to die from a "nuisance"?)
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To: ClearCase_guy
Modern medicine will be powerless to treat the victims! To get the flu will be a Death Sentence! Whole countries will be depopulated! The Universities will be emptied! People will flee the pestilential cities! The dead will be unburied! Civilization will crash!!!!

Look on the bright side, land will be really cheap!

63 posted on 10/28/2004 11:22:21 AM PDT by abner (http://www.swiftvets.com or http://www.wintersoldier.com)
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To: anniegetyourgun

***“Up to one billion people could die around the whole world in six months,” ***

Where does the FLU go when the southern Hemisphere is in their winter and we are in summer? Does the flu go on vacation somewhere for the other six months?


64 posted on 10/28/2004 11:27:04 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (DEMS STILL LIE like dirty dam flea biten stinkin tick infested s*** eatin yellow dogs.)
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To: anniegetyourgun

Wasn't it only a couple of months ago that a lighter, less virulent strain of flu was predicted for this year? Or was that only until there was a vaccine shortage?


65 posted on 10/28/2004 11:27:39 AM PDT by Continental Soldier
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To: Continental Soldier

Your recollection is correct.


66 posted on 10/28/2004 11:30:41 AM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: Pox
I have a hard time believing this, regardless of historical precedent, but stranger things have happened.They say this evey dang year. I'm sure that sometime, probably in my lifetime, there will be a bad pandemic. But none of these scientists can predict that *this* will be the year until we're in the middle of it. Unless they have 10,000 cases with a 25% (or higher) mortality and a name for an identified virus I'm not going down this road again.
67 posted on 10/28/2004 11:31:03 AM PDT by Marie (~shhhhh...~ The liberals are sleeping....)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

You know all those stories about whales collectively beaching themselves every year? That's because the flu goes out to sea, and the president of whale nation may soon find it is an election issue for him too.


68 posted on 10/28/2004 11:34:11 AM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: Cooltouch

SOURCES? It said in the article that the Center for Diease Control said it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If you go to the CDC website you will get all the confirmation you need!! Right from the horses mouth!!


69 posted on 10/28/2004 11:42:37 AM PDT by chicagolady (Mexican Elite say: EXPORT Poverty Let the American Taxpayer foot the bill !)
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To: jpl

I'm not an oddsmaker, but I am a "serious" person. A world-wide Flu pandemic can happen and will likely happen at some point in time. It will take some time for the deadly genetic shift to occur (proven cases of the human-to-human bird flu infection have been documented over the past 5 years). A wide-spread pandemic could happen this winter, or at any point in the future. This event can't be predicted.

Every year the CDC tries to predict the Flu strains coming for the next winter season and these strains are formulated into the next vaccine. However, they are not always right in their selection. The current 2004/2005 flu vaccine would have limited or no effect on a "bird" flu pandemic.

You are correct that medicine has avanced in the past 86 years. Because the US and the industrialized world will have access to the newer anti-viral medications, mortality rates can be controlled to some extent in the event of a Flu pandemic. However, in the less developed parts of the world that may not have full access to these medications, there could be a death rate of epic proportions.

Agsin, infectious diseases such as Inflenza that have the potental reach to kill 100's of millions in a matter of weeks should be taken very "seriously". This is not "fearmongering". This is reality!


70 posted on 10/28/2004 11:46:44 AM PDT by HoosierFather
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Gin-soaked raisins, maybe?


71 posted on 10/28/2004 11:48:19 AM PDT by Polyxene (For where God built a church, there the Devil would also build a chapel - Martin Luther)
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To: anniegetyourgun

Maybe this will happen in Russia because they have poor sanitation and poor medical facilities, and they live in more crowded conditions.


72 posted on 10/28/2004 11:52:37 AM PDT by Polyxene (For where God built a church, there the Devil would also build a chapel - Martin Luther)
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To: Cooltouch

Flu Vaccine Not Working--CDC Admits. What are Your Options?

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) had two choices when it came down to which flu formula to use for winter 2003. Should they stick with the same formula used last year in 2002, knowing that a new strain of the bug was developing? Or should they attempt to make a new vaccine that could possibly come with complications or delays and that could result in a shortage?

The first sign of the new flu bug showed up just two weeks before the committee was scheduled to meet. The scientists who track the flu had noticed a new strain was gathering mass. The overall decision to bring back the older version was decided on the fact that there wasn’t enough time to produce a new flu vaccine.

The committee met this past February and was told that the current vaccine might not work in protecting people from the new strain.

Even though the committee voted 17-1 to bring back last year’s version, they all have admitted that they made the wrong decision.

ABC News December 15, 2003


Try www.mercola.com do a search on the flu shot


73 posted on 10/28/2004 11:53:10 AM PDT by chicagolady (Mexican Elite say: EXPORT Poverty Let the American Taxpayer foot the bill !)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

Influenza has a fairly well defined propogation period of 8-12 weeks over the winter months. The CDC and WHO provide sentinel monitoring of mortality and viral subtypes during the Flu season. You can see weekly reports at www.cdc.gov. Since the southern hemisphere is opposite of the northern hemisphere in the timing of their winters (and their flu season), the peak seasons are 6 months apart.


74 posted on 10/28/2004 11:56:00 AM PDT by HoosierFather
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To: chicagolady

http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5301a3.htm


75 posted on 10/28/2004 12:01:52 PM PDT by chicagolady (Mexican Elite say: EXPORT Poverty Let the American Taxpayer foot the bill !)
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To: Sicon

What evidence do you have to refute the man?

None what so ever, only a burp of so much hot stinky air.

If you consider the perilous state of the health in the former Soviet states, the density of population in Asian and South American, even Mexican cities, massive deaths from an out of control flu virus is well within the relm of possibility, even probability.

America and Canada and the Western Euro states all have relatively healthy population, well fed, fat and happy. We do not suffer from internal parasites or persistant infection. We are not already weakened by general life.

In America we apparently have adequate vaccine to protect those at risk and more importantly, have the ability to deliver to those most at risk.

Most of the world doesn't have the vaccine and more importantly, even if it did does not posess the resources or bureaucratic ability to do so.


76 posted on 10/28/2004 12:02:20 PM PDT by bert (Peace is only halftime !)
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To: anniegetyourgun
He said that the population of the United States can be roughly compared to that of Russia

The scientist has some difficulty with numbers.

77 posted on 10/28/2004 12:03:52 PM PDT by RightWhale (Withdraw from the 1967 UN Outer Space Treaty and establish property rights)
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Prediction: The same people getting all worked up about this "flu scare" this year, are the same that got all worked up last year about SARS. Remember SARS? Yeah, that was supposed to be the next "Captain Tripps", remember that?

Am I right? <---- rhetorical question to any reader of this post


78 posted on 10/28/2004 12:12:13 PM PDT by FourtySeven (47)
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To: anniegetyourgun
Not to worry. Kerry has a plan.
79 posted on 10/28/2004 12:16:01 PM PDT by rogers21774 (The guilty taketh the truth to be hard, for it cutteth them to the very center.)
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To: anniegetyourgun

With any luck they'll all be communists, liberals and Islamic fascists.


80 posted on 10/28/2004 12:16:45 PM PDT by rogers21774 (The guilty taketh the truth to be hard, for it cutteth them to the very center.)
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