Posted on 09/09/2004 3:10:33 PM PDT by Semper Paratus
Brit Hume announced story coming up now on National Guard docmunents
lol...agree, very seriesly hugh! But just a few minutes ago, MSNBC was still quoting from the forged document. Guess the media wants to do as much damage with this stuff as they can, before they turn around and briefly say hey, it was faked, next story....
If you think the ANG had Executive typewriters back in the early 70's then I have some swamp land for sale. I have an executive typewriter in a box that I just dug out -- no "th" on the Executive typewriter. That doesn't even take into consideration that to get an Executive typewriter in those years you had to have special authorization and can guarantee you that NO ONE in the ANG was going to get that. Only General Officer/General Officer equivalent slots at MAJCOMs could get those typewriters -- the one in the Command Surgeon's office was ordered through the Medical Center because if the HQ put it in supply that would have caused an 18-month wait. The General in charge wanted OER's typed on an Executive typewriter as did the other Generals. Some guy in the ANG -- not a chance!
Me three, and I wonder why my spelling/grammar check always wants to change it.
He let Ferraro walk all over him and was trying to make the ridiculous argument that Congressmen don't do favors for their wealthy constituents. There is nobody who will believe that one.
There is so much info he could have used for rebuttal, but Armey seemed clueless tonight.
" is illegal for a commander to keep personal documents about subordinates. Subordinates have a right to know everything documented about them. If it is worthy of saying, it is worthy of saying on the record."
I THINK I know what you mean.
There should not be an informal file on an officer, to be, for example, floated before members of the promotion board. The decision has to be made on the basis of official records.
OR, as in the present case, informal notations (which is what these CYA MFR's are) should not surface after the fact to besmirch a person. As you say, if it was bad enough, it should have been officially documented and put in the personnel file.
However, what about current management files? Say you have a young trooper, who is a good trooper, and does something a bit stupid (such as performing wheelies with jeeps in the motor pool parking lot when he was on motor pool guard duty). Now, you don't want to ruin the kid; you just want to get his attention. So the NCOs bring him before the CO for counseling. The CO counsels, and puts an MFR in the desk drawer. Not because the CO wants to hurt the kid, but because the CO does NOT want to hurt the kid. After all, he was there, he knows there was a counseling session . . .
It got his attention. Case closed. It did NOT get his attention, and he continues to abuse government property, and the CO refers him to the Battalion commander for an Article 15, recommending a reduction in rank until he knows how to take care of said property. If you can't tell the Battalion Commander, he did wheelies in the motor pool on such and such a date, and I counseled him about it, etc. . . . well, the Battalion Commander will think you are not much of a Co. Commander . . .
And how do you do your officer evaluation reports if you don't keep a file in your desk drawer of their accomplishments during the year? Yes, if it is negative, you should counsel them; if it is positive, you should praise them. But shouldn't you keep notes for reference in completing the evaluation reports so that you have lots of good things to say about your good LTs??
I am speaking of active management files and MFRs, which should NOT have a life of 30+ years . . . (they didn't get purged or thrown out, I guess.) I guess they should have had a file notation: destroy after . . . But there is so much work in command, esp. in the Guard when you (supposedly) do it all one weekend a month. I can see the papers somehow surviving. I cannot see assigning meaning to them OTHER than what the official files contain.
Bingo! There was no small th!
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Please check back after the election.For those who want my opinion...the documents appear to be done in Word, and then copied repeatedly to make them "fuzzy". They use features that were not available on office typewriters the 1970s, specifically the combination of proportional spacing with superscript font. The IBM Executive has proportional spacing, but used fixed type bars. The Selectric has changeable type elements, but fixed spacing (some models could be selected at 10 or 12 pitch, but that's all). The Selectric Composer was not an office typewriter, but apparently did use proportional spacing. These were very expensive machines, used by printing offices, not administrative offices. At least my low opinion of TV news remains intact.
http://www.selectric.org/selectric/
Selectric Typewriter Museum-IBM Selectric Typewriters
'Dick Armey sure was lousy. I hope the GOP doesn't call on him anymore.'
Haven't seen him for quite a while. Isn't he working for the ACLU now? Always seemed to me to be on the sauce.
"For some reason I feel compelled to play 'Oh Happy Day.'"
Good choice, however, I'm thinkin'...
Oh Danny Boy
The pipes the pipes
are callin'....
bu-bye Dan
:^)
in 19 years of typing memos, letters, etc., for any officer i worked for i NEVER typed my initials at the bottom....that's a civilian thing, not an AF thing.....I just love this whole thing - these guys should at least have gotten an AF civilian administrative person to help with this lie....
Nicholson was a bit overboard but I think there is a nugget of truth to the "You want me on that wall, you need me on that wall."...mostly the part about "deep down inside, in places you don't talk about at parties."
I'm no psychologist but I think there is definitely a bit of "rifle envy" going on out there.
IF, and that's a bit IF, NBC does pull the plug I will be totally shocked but may be consider watching NBC again...I'm so sick of these guys (ABCNBCCBSCNN, etc etc etc) and I just love that they're getting caught pulling the dirty little tricks that they're pulling on the american people every day....Fox is my #1 love!
OooOps! Looks like you beat me to "littlegreenfootballs"
Nicht. I'm always the last to be told everything. :(
There two diffrent typewriters. Selectric used the ball, the Executive did not.
The law gives the media quite a legal loophole. One must prove Malice for the media to be held accountable. In the past, most lawsuits were dropped for a finding of "absent malice". Of course, this time, I think that malice would be pretty easy to demonstrate.
An Executive typewriter did not have a ball! It was a regular typewriter with a fancy type for executives. The AF Generals had those in their offices and the rest had selectrics with the little balls and then selectric II typewriters came out but I can guarantee that the ANG would not have been getting anything updated.
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