New Questions On Bush Guard Duty [CBS USES FORGERIES TO SMEAR THE PRESIDENT!!!!!]

CBS ^ | 9/10/04 | Staff

[TastyManatees]

New Questions On Bush Guard Duty

CBS) The military records of the two men running for president have become part of the political arsenal in this campaign – a tool for building up, or blowing up, each candidate’s credibility as America's next commander-in-chief.

While Sen. Kerry has been targeted for what he did in Vietnam, President Bush has been criticized for avoiding Vietnam by landing a spot in the Texas Air National Guard - and then failing to meet some of his obligations.

Did then-Lt. Bush fulfill all of his military obligations? And just how did he land that spot in the National Guard in the first place? Correspondent Dan Rather has new information on the president’s military service – and the first-ever interview with the man who says he pulled strings to get young George W. Bush into the Texas Air National Guard.

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But 60 Minutes has obtained a number of documents we are told were taken from Col. Killian's personal file. Among them, a never-before-seen memorandum from May 1972, where Killian writes that Lt. Bush called him to talk about "how he can get out of coming to drill from now through November."

Lt. Bush tells his commander "he is working on a campaign in Alabama…. and may not have time to take his physical." Killian adds that he thinks Lt. Bush has gone over his head, and is "talking to someone upstairs."

Col. Killian died in 1984. 60 Minutes consulted a handwriting analyst and document expert who believes the material is authentic.

[TaxRelief]

How do we know he ever saw that document? He's dead, Jim.

[LowNslow]

I've been to FED EX flight operations regularly since 1980 and I've never seen him there.

Who told you he was a Fed Ex pilot, and is it documented?

[Huber]

The probability of that is approximately 4,231,421.68 to one. It's highly illogical..

[cricket]

worth a bump here. . .

"I have been a software developer for over 20 years. For a period of several years I specialized in the development of laser printer forms, fonts, and the like using languages specific to the machines.

I can speak as an expert witness on this topic. Proportional fonts were not available outside of a professional print shop prior to the mid eighties. All computer printers printed in fixed width fonts.

The equipment and software to handle proportional fonts and superscripts were not available at that time unless you had access to a printing press.

[CobaltBlue]

>>The Selectric Composer was proportional.

Yes, but the Selectric Composer did not kern. I just got off the phone with my old mentor, I learned to use an IBM Composer in his shop, and he confirmed that it did not kern.

The Varitype kerned, so maybe the document was produced on a Varitype machine, in a print shop, and maybe Killian was a professional typesetter just using his Varityper.

Otherwise, it might have been produced on a Linotype machine, which filled half a room.

Of course, the machine had to use Times New Roman with the exact same kerning and leading.

Was Killian a professional typesetter? Did he ordinarily use a Varitype or a Linotype for his correspondence?

[cricket]

"McAulliffe! Come out McAulliffe!"

Love it. . .hear a new chant coming on. . .'Taaaarieeee; Taaaaarieeeeee'. . .Tayre;. . .sign any letters today???

[LowNslow]

It is not just proportional fonts, the documents are also KERNED. A typewriter can not physically accomplish KERNING.

Word processors automatically KERN, spacing letters so that they are grouped for better readability. TO(Kerned) T O ( n o t - K e r n e d ).

[patriciaruth]

There are about a half dozen parties going on around here.

Glad you are joining in the fun!

Try party hopping now.

[Light Speed]

LOL! M...

Dan Rather's defence started going south when he commented...."I Think" : )

Just for you.....from the Archives of *Great Lucid moments in History...

Saw this live on Fox when it happened...
Geraldo was thrashing around in the dirt....
Something about having been bombed by a U.S. JDAM from a B-52.

My first thought was..."Oh my God...his legs have been blown off"

What made the scene more comical..was the Afghani's standing just off screen....who were looking at each other and him thrashing in the dirt.....with a look on their faces....kinda...Is this guy insane?

Later Geraldo's lie is exposed...he was nowhere near the JDAM incident..infact.....he filed this *John Kerry hyped drama.....days later: )

Democrats.....The party of bad actors : )

[dsc]

Perhaps CYA was used, but in the military culture I joined in 1974 it was an insult, indicating that the person concerned only cared about himself.

[Alamo-Girl]

Indeed. I've been bouncing around from thread to thread tonight. Not posting much, but reading everything.

[madison10]

So CBS had someone steal the files out of Killian's personal belongings? Great move, CBS. Won't reveal their sources. BAH! Still don't think they have any.

Sink any lower & the media will be trying to retrieve old papers from the bottom of bird cages.

[Mo1]

He didn't steal them .. they were forged

NIGHTLINE to do show on forgeries
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1211588/posts

[bjcintennessee]

ping

[madison10]

Here's my theory:

The bozos knew the memo is a forgery. They intended for everyone to know the memo is a forgery. The IDEA BEING if President Bush's records are forgeries,of course, when John F. Kerry's records are released with all sorts of bad crap... Voila' HIS records were forged by the Bush administration or whomever. It's a d*** ruse, people.

[claudiustg]

Dan Rather was just too quick on the draw. The bozos fed him some stuff they thought no one would look at too closely.

Remember Peter Arnet? He ran that story about us gassing our own POW's in Vietnam as a coverup for the fact that we'd abandoned them. The tale teller said the eyes of one of his guys on the mission were dilated , a sign of nerve agent. The only problem is that nerve agent produces pin-point pupils, as any basic trainee would know. Atropine , the antidote, produces dilated pupils.

[TaxRelief]

This one could accomplish KERNING, I believe.

The IBM SELECTRIC Composer: Proportional Escapement Mechanism

[Tuscaloosa Goldfinch]

A show of hands for anybody thinking that a National Guard military post would have access to a 70's "modern", high-end word processing system?? Anybody?... anybody?

My husband went through Danley Field (in 1976 - 1978,) which he (my husband) says is the name of the ANG base in Montgomery. He "thinks" he has at least one document from that base from 1976 -1978. That's after GW's time there. He's going to try to dig it out tomorrow, if anyone is interested in seeing it.

Another interesting thing, my husband was assigned to the ANG because there were too many enlisted personnel in his field, so he was given an honorable discharge in exchange for doubling his remaining enlisted time in the Air National Guard. We moved back home, and dh called Danley Field several times trying to find out when to report for duty. He was told each time not to bother contacting them, they would contact him when his paperwork came in. Finally, in the summer of 1976, we got a certified package telling him that because of his failure to report for duty, he had been reassigned to his previous base, Ellsworth in Rapid City. That was the state of paperwork during that time -- it was a mess. We got it straightened out finally after reminding them about all the phone calls we had made to them.

Anyway, it woudln't surprise me one bit, based on our personal experience, if Danley can't find all of the records from back then -- that doesn't mean they never existed or that GW was in any way at fault.

[AndyJackson]

CYA has been used for a long time. Certainly since before the '70's.

No commander with half a brain would write a memo that is literally a CYA memo. It is a ticking time bomb, waiting to go off. It is written evidence that the commander knew he was doing something improper, illegal, unauthroized or in contravention of military orders and procedures and went ahead and did it anyway. If it ever sees the light of day the commander is dead.

Besides no fighter jockey thinks that way anyway. In addition to the form proving a fogery, the content proves a forgery.

[sadimgnik]

ummm ... been a few years, but didn't the IBM Selectric (the old 'Golfball')typewriter have changeable fonts?

I seem to remember that I had a cursive font, a proportional font, a mono font etc.

And the Selectric II was CERTAINLY in use by the mid-70s - and was in use by the Australian services by then (My father was a CPO (Writer) then - effectively a non-com clerk - and he had one).