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New Questions On Bush Guard Duty [CBS USES FORGERIES TO SMEAR THE PRESIDENT!!!!!]
CBS ^ | 9/10/04 | Staff

Posted on 09/09/2004 7:33:57 AM PDT by TastyManatees

New Questions On Bush Guard Duty

CBS) The military records of the two men running for president have become part of the political arsenal in this campaign – a tool for building up, or blowing up, each candidate’s credibility as America's next commander-in-chief.

While Sen. Kerry has been targeted for what he did in Vietnam, President Bush has been criticized for avoiding Vietnam by landing a spot in the Texas Air National Guard - and then failing to meet some of his obligations.

Did then-Lt. Bush fulfill all of his military obligations? And just how did he land that spot in the National Guard in the first place? Correspondent Dan Rather has new information on the president’s military service – and the first-ever interview with the man who says he pulled strings to get young George W. Bush into the Texas Air National Guard.

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But 60 Minutes has obtained a number of documents we are told were taken from Col. Killian's personal file. Among them, a never-before-seen memorandum from May 1972, where Killian writes that Lt. Bush called him to talk about "how he can get out of coming to drill from now through November."

Lt. Bush tells his commander "he is working on a campaign in Alabama…. and may not have time to take his physical." Killian adds that he thinks Lt. Bush has gone over his head, and is "talking to someone upstairs."

Col. Killian died in 1984. 60 Minutes consulted a handwriting analyst and document expert who believes the material is authentic.

(Excerpt) Read more at cbsnews.com ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; Extended News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2004; 60minutes; bush; camejo; cbs; ccrm; cheney; dubya; edwards; election; forgery; fraud; gwb; kerry; killian; nader; napalminthemorning; nationalguard; pilot; seebsnews; texas
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To: VOA

Isn't it awesome? The media picked up on this right away, bless them! :) I think Drudge was the first one to pick it up!


861 posted on 09/09/2004 7:02:44 PM PDT by MistyCA
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To: TaxRelief
Thanks for the link TaxRelief.
I checked it out and that is referring to the IBM SELECTRIC Composer. Reading the pdf documents shows the author detailing design changes that the engineers had to make to the IBM Selectric typewriter components, such as the keyboard, to make them suitable for use on this specialized machine which was much like the Executive mentioned in previous posts.
862 posted on 09/09/2004 7:07:17 PM PDT by jimthewiz
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To: Centurion2000

I have to sign documents all the time. Some people are extrememly careful with their signatures but do it on a daily basis and it's likely a little more erratic. I probably have five different signature styles depending on my mood.


863 posted on 09/09/2004 7:08:33 PM PDT by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: TaxRelief
Yeah, it was rare, I was speaking to the gullible, who reach for the rarest to excuse the known liars.

Find me ONE official military record that used a proportional typewriter. Not that it matters. The thing is so obvious a forgery from the gitgo the insistence of proof must be made for those who claim it ain't.

864 posted on 09/09/2004 7:09:18 PM PDT by bvw
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To: All

FR has gotten a lot of recognition this year. Pretty proud of being part of you!


865 posted on 09/09/2004 7:11:07 PM PDT by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: CobaltBlue

The Selectric Composer was proportional.

http://ibmcomposer.org/SelComposer/brochure.htm


866 posted on 09/09/2004 7:11:45 PM PDT by TaxRelief
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To: CobaltBlue
I realize the only way to prove it's impossible is find an old machine and try typing on it, or at least compare to Times New Roman and the typeface on the memos, which appear to be Times New Roman.

Actually, there would be an easier way than that: on all of the older proportional-spacing typewriters, each character's width would be an integral number of fairly-significant units; most lowercase letters and most uppercase letters would thus be exactly the same width. Count out the numbers of different characters on each line and figure out if there's any way any set of integer character widths (with units no smaller than 1/6 of an "en") could possibly yield anything close to the actual spacing.

867 posted on 09/09/2004 7:11:55 PM PDT by supercat (If Kerry becomes President, nothing bad will happen for which he won't have an excuse.)
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To: TastyManatees

ping


868 posted on 09/09/2004 7:17:02 PM PDT by southland (Alabama for BUSH)
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To: alancarp

We know the national Guard had a lot of money to spend on advanced equipment but this sound quite ridiculous.


869 posted on 09/09/2004 7:19:08 PM PDT by southland (Alabama for BUSH)
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To: CobaltBlue

Correction: Font element (ball) in question will start with the letters PR-


870 posted on 09/09/2004 7:20:58 PM PDT by TaxRelief
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To: Tempest

I am about to get kicked off another board because the libs are whining that I am too mean! LOL! It's just funny!


871 posted on 09/09/2004 7:21:00 PM PDT by MistyCA
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To: TaxPayer2000

You are welcome. :)


872 posted on 09/09/2004 7:21:39 PM PDT by MistyCA
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To: CobaltBlue

BTW, I do think the character-width issue is very important: when designing a typewriter to handle proportional spacing, there's a major tradeoff between spacing 'resolution' and ease of use. A typewriter where the spacing unit is 1/3 the width of an "N", which makes most lowercase letters 2 units except "liftjr" (1 unit) and "mw" (3 units), and makes uppercase letters 3 units except "I" (1 unit) and "MW" (4 units) will produce output that's not quite as good as a typesetter, but much better than monospaced output. While it would be possible for a typewriter to use finer resolution than that, such a device could be a real pain to work with and it seems very unlikely that a typewriter would have units finer than 1/6 of an "N". The notion that a typewritten piece would precisely match a common computer font is completely absurd, especially factoring in the "th"'s. Even if a typewriter could produce such marks easily (e.g. had a dedicated key) the odds of Microsoft's default superscripting algorithm precisely matching the width of the mark produced by the "th" key are pretty incredibly remote.


873 posted on 09/09/2004 7:24:57 PM PDT by supercat (If Kerry becomes President, nothing bad will happen for which he won't have an excuse.)
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To: Sacajaweau

Some executives/commanders let their subordinates sign for them.


874 posted on 09/09/2004 7:25:27 PM PDT by TaxRelief
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To: bvw
Find me ONE official military record that used a proportional typewriter. Not that it matters. The thing is so obvious a forgery from the gitgo the insistence of proof must be made for those who claim it ain't.

Kerry's DD-214, posted on his web site uses a proportional typewriter in some, but not all, fields.

875 posted on 09/09/2004 7:32:18 PM PDT by supercat (If Kerry becomes President, nothing bad will happen for which he won't have an excuse.)
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To: TaxRelief

You have got to be putting us on.
Are you really suggesting that an executive/commander would allow a subordinate to even read, much less sign, a memo documenting his own misconduct?


876 posted on 09/09/2004 7:43:20 PM PDT by jimthewiz
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To: patriciaruth

Thanks for the ping!


877 posted on 09/09/2004 7:52:59 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: TastyManatees
CBS is apparently using forged documents to smear President Bush, and they aren’t even forged all that well.

Kind of like the forged documents used to fool congress about Iraq buying uranium. They weren't forged very well either and should not have fooled our government, but they did the job of starting a counterproductive war.

878 posted on 09/09/2004 7:54:21 PM PDT by Mike4Freedom (Freedom is the one thing that you cannot have unless you grant it to everyone else.)
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To: southland

https://web1.ssg.gunter.af.mil/ho/documents/chronologies/Air%20Force%20Data%20Systems%20Design%20Center%201969.doc


Scroll down the document at the above link (Air Force Data Systems Design Center-AFDSDC Chronology, 1 January - 31 December 1969)and you will find:

Event 690400/ A Service Test was completed for the International Business Machines (IBM)"Selectric" typewriter and Magnetic Tape "Selectric" Composer.


879 posted on 09/09/2004 7:55:24 PM PDT by TaxRelief
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To: TaxRelief

The forged documents are kerned. The Composer did not Kern.


880 posted on 09/09/2004 7:57:47 PM PDT by js1138 (Speedy architect of perfect labyrinths.)
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