Posted on 09/09/2004 7:33:57 AM PDT by TastyManatees
New Questions On Bush Guard Duty
CBS) The military records of the two men running for president have become part of the political arsenal in this campaign – a tool for building up, or blowing up, each candidate’s credibility as America's next commander-in-chief.
While Sen. Kerry has been targeted for what he did in Vietnam, President Bush has been criticized for avoiding Vietnam by landing a spot in the Texas Air National Guard - and then failing to meet some of his obligations.
Did then-Lt. Bush fulfill all of his military obligations? And just how did he land that spot in the National Guard in the first place? Correspondent Dan Rather has new information on the president’s military service – and the first-ever interview with the man who says he pulled strings to get young George W. Bush into the Texas Air National Guard.
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But 60 Minutes has obtained a number of documents we are told were taken from Col. Killian's personal file. Among them, a never-before-seen memorandum from May 1972, where Killian writes that Lt. Bush called him to talk about "how he can get out of coming to drill from now through November."
Lt. Bush tells his commander "he is working on a campaign in Alabama…. and may not have time to take his physical." Killian adds that he thinks Lt. Bush has gone over his head, and is "talking to someone upstairs."
Col. Killian died in 1984. 60 Minutes consulted a handwriting analyst and document expert who believes the material is authentic.
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IBM never made a Selectric I or II with a proportional font ball, period. Only the IBM Executive had proportional spacing for characters. The IBM Selectrics only came with many varied but in the end, MONOSPACED characters.
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I don't know about Sunday being a common deadline. It sounds odd and very unlikely to me.
Someone upthread noted that memo #4 is dated August 18, 1973, which was a Saturday (I double checked and they were correct). That Saturday memo is filled with references to other entities and "today" as if a group and people were all confabbing on that exact day. Another unlikely and odd occurrence.
Yes, he had reason to do CYA memos on LT Bush, but the National Guard is a state organization and more than one officer in his command over the years likely had connection to some politico or higher level officer.
And/or there was some other reason for an MFR -- death of a soldier (sorry, I automatically say soldier - airman prob. has been changed to airperson ), scandal of somesort, whatever. Things come up when you are a commander, that you want to record your recollection of while it is still fresh in your mind.
LOL! Yes, isn't it amazing how they always seem to get people who are dead to speak up for them! Sheesh!
"Another unlikely and odd occurrence. "
Come on guys, this is the National Guard! Except for the fulltime admin staff, the only time the entire chain of command was on hand and the forces were drilling would be the WEEKEND, e.g. Saturday and Sunday.
Unless it was annual training or some other time.
Sa and/or Su make actually MORE sense for a Guard situation than a weekday would have . . .
>>So the memo could not have been made with a typewriter.
It could not have been made with MY IBM Selectric using the ordinary Prestige Elite 12 pitch wheel. I don't have a left and right apostrophe, only straight. But maybe a fancier machine, although not in your ordinary Texas Air National Guard office? Maybe the guy was part time and worked full time in a law office or was a business executive?
I have calls in to my old boss, who taught me printing and collects typewriters and old typesetting machines, and my mother, who was a typesetter.
I think this is a question best answered by an expert, maybe someone at IBM, or someone with a specialty in document examination.
But I did read that one expert has already stated that the "4" has a closed top and no "foot" which is ONLY found in Times New Roman, and that Times New Roman is found ONLY on computers.
Zip codes use was atarted in 1963.
I don't know about this, but I'm pretty sure it won't snake the tail of the y under the m, as in My. To do that it needs to "know" what the letters are. That didn't happen until electronic typesetting. Before that it was done by and for books and such.
Good point about weekends. Was that true for physicals also ?
You're right!
(you would do well to note that I have made it clear throughout that I am not on the "the documents were forged" bandwagon, but I did find the Saturday/Sunday business odd until you pointed out the now obvious)
Thanks for pointing that out.
The print pressure is to even also. Mechanical typewriter print varied because of the varying pressure used to tape the letters.
Zip codes use was atarted in 1963.
Add this to strange facts
The current use of the po box 34567 is
Ashland Chemical Company, A Division of Ashland Oil, Incorporated P. O. Box 34567 Houston
http://216.239.39.104/search?q=cache:KYpWils0C3IJ:www.hd.co.harris.tx.us/pcd/ViolationNotices/1991HCPCDVNs.htm+Ashland+Oil,+Incorporated+34567&hl=en
"Was that true for physicals also ?"
I wondered about that, too.
I am not AF, but wouldn't the/a/some flight surgeon be part of the Squadron and drilling on the same weekend?
The memo did say it was a physical on duty time.
Thank you Misty!!
The use of PO Box 34567 for Ashland Chemical was previously noted on this thread, and dates from 1991.
I looked it up on the USPS zip code finder page, and PO Box 34567 does NOT exist today. The address standardized to PO Box 24567, zip code 77229.
Strange indeed...
I'm not going to argue because you are likely correct. But the font did not look like Courier when you used it...that's as much as I know. I know fonts at least. Spacing I'll defer to you.
Thanks for the ping's ..... it would appear to be a forged document, IMHO.
I wonder if this raises to the point of libel?
This seems to be the biggest development on the forgery story yet as word is getting around. See http://www.chronicallybiased.com/index.php?itemid=1486
I agree that the print pressure looks very even. But I don't have an IBM Executive, would like to see what that does. It's definitely too even for my Selectric.
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