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New Questions On Bush Guard Duty [CBS USES FORGERIES TO SMEAR THE PRESIDENT!!!!!]
CBS ^ | 9/10/04 | Staff

Posted on 09/09/2004 7:33:57 AM PDT by TastyManatees

New Questions On Bush Guard Duty

CBS) The military records of the two men running for president have become part of the political arsenal in this campaign – a tool for building up, or blowing up, each candidate’s credibility as America's next commander-in-chief.

While Sen. Kerry has been targeted for what he did in Vietnam, President Bush has been criticized for avoiding Vietnam by landing a spot in the Texas Air National Guard - and then failing to meet some of his obligations.

Did then-Lt. Bush fulfill all of his military obligations? And just how did he land that spot in the National Guard in the first place? Correspondent Dan Rather has new information on the president’s military service – and the first-ever interview with the man who says he pulled strings to get young George W. Bush into the Texas Air National Guard.

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But 60 Minutes has obtained a number of documents we are told were taken from Col. Killian's personal file. Among them, a never-before-seen memorandum from May 1972, where Killian writes that Lt. Bush called him to talk about "how he can get out of coming to drill from now through November."

Lt. Bush tells his commander "he is working on a campaign in Alabama…. and may not have time to take his physical." Killian adds that he thinks Lt. Bush has gone over his head, and is "talking to someone upstairs."

Col. Killian died in 1984. 60 Minutes consulted a handwriting analyst and document expert who believes the material is authentic.

(Excerpt) Read more at cbsnews.com ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; Extended News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2004; 60minutes; bush; camejo; cbs; ccrm; cheney; dubya; edwards; election; forgery; fraud; gwb; kerry; killian; nader; napalminthemorning; nationalguard; pilot; seebsnews; texas
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To: andy58-in-nh

Good morning Mr. Drudge! :) (Thanks, Andy)


641 posted on 09/09/2004 12:49:39 PM PDT by MistyCA
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To: PJ-Comix
You folks have got to get to one of the other "forgery" threads, and to Littlegreenfootballs.

The "th" thing is the least of the evidence. The folks at LGF typed one of the memos using Word, with default settings, and got what appears to be an EXACT match.

FReeper IncPen overlaid the CBS "original," and the LGF Word version, and got this 4-frame dissolve:

It is most assuredly a fake.

642 posted on 09/09/2004 12:49:47 PM PDT by r9etb
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To: CedarDave

If the source got these docs on the up-an-up, and they are legit, why keep his identity a secret?


643 posted on 09/09/2004 12:49:58 PM PDT by mewzilla
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To: TastyManatees

I remember the first time I typed up a document on a computer using "th" and thought it so kewl that the superscript automatically appeared. I've used IBM Selectric I & II before but never got that superscript.


644 posted on 09/09/2004 12:50:05 PM PDT by PJ-Comix
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To: CedarDave

By the way, I just saw in the CNS article posted upthread that the spokesperson for 60 Minutes is -- no joke -- "Kelli Edwards."

I'm sure that's a typo and her real name is "Kerry Edwards."


645 posted on 09/09/2004 12:51:14 PM PDT by qwertyman
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To: sinkspur
The IBM Executive typewriter used proportional fonts, and was a staple in the military.

I'm certainly no expert but there are proportional fonts -- where letters such as "i" take up less horizontal width than "w" but there is also something called "kerning" in which letter shapes are taken into consideration when spacing is done. Under kerning, it is possible for one letter to "intrude" into the horizontal space of another where say an "A" is next to a "W" as in "AW".

I don't know for sure, but I doubt proportional font typewriters would be capable of kerning as they would need to "know" what letter had preceded the one being typed.

Looking at the first memo, it appears that kerning was employed in the word "May" where the tail of the "y" appears to curl beneath the serif on the "a".

646 posted on 09/09/2004 12:51:36 PM PDT by laredo44 (Liberty is not the problem)
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To: TastyManatees

Reading this reminds me of the tactics used by the Communists to distort reality and present lies as truth. Somehow, given the morally bankrupt state of many in the Democratic party this comes as no surprise anymore.

They should prosecute these bastards and give them some JAIL TIME to think twice before trying to do these kind of political assassinations ever again. Time for America to stand up and expose these LIARS and DECEIVERS for the scum they truly are.

DESPICABLE!!!


647 posted on 09/09/2004 12:52:04 PM PDT by ezfindit (OrthodoxNet.com - Shining the Light of Wisdom and Truth)
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To: CedarDave

Right... I saw that ... but I also saw the Washington Monthly comments on same, basically they are claiming that, get this, since the White House re-released the CBS documents today, these proves they are genuine and that the White House is 'sitting on documents' in other words, 'proof of a coverup'.
I also note that 'th' subscript is on another document ...
White House would need to clarify this.


648 posted on 09/09/2004 12:52:23 PM PDT by WOSG (George W Bush / Dick Cheney - Right for our Times!)
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To: MistyCA
How about I ping half the world to this important development.

I hear you.

Half the world hears you.

And soon, the second half will hear the first half!

649 posted on 09/09/2004 12:52:51 PM PDT by unspun (RU working your precinct, churchmembers, etc. 4 good votes? | Not "Unspun w/ AnnaZ" but I appreciate)
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To: mingusthecat

Email IBM. I'm sure they can answer your question.


650 posted on 09/09/2004 12:53:03 PM PDT by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: GOP
I don't know how old you are, but take a look at the letter in question. If you were around in '72 (and have a fair memory), you'll recall that nothing typed back then ever looked like this. The font is completely anachronistic - like the chariot racer wearing a wrist watch in Ben Hur. I think we got 'em.
651 posted on 09/09/2004 12:55:07 PM PDT by andy58-in-nh
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To: Constitutionalist Conservative
I dunno, maybe we were special, but our family had an IBM Selectric typewriter in the mid 1970s that did proportional fonts.

Sorry for the brain burp. It was an Executive, not a Selectric. Long gone, along with a lot of my memory. :-)

652 posted on 09/09/2004 12:56:05 PM PDT by Constitutionalist Conservative (Have you visited http://blog.c-pol.com?)
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To: MistyCA
Thanks for the Ping MistyCA

Some of my thoughts:

The typed out "August" alerted me to a military truism.

Whenever possible and sometimes when not very possible always, always take a shortcut.

Military orders are generally full of shortcuts. JAN, FEB, MAR, APR, MAY, JUN, JUL, AUG, SEP, OCT, NOV, DEC were all the months.

"Off WP" instead of "officer will proceed" never "you will go" or "you will proceed".

"AR NLT" instead of "arrive not later than" or "arrive no later than" the memo actually has "not later than" and then (NLT) in parentheses. WHY?

Lastly - Rank was always ASAP(As Short As Possible) 1st Lieut, nope, it was always 1LT.

Oh, and lest we forget. National Guard units were always the ugly stepchildren of the military and getting hand-me-downs, not top of the line typewriters, especially since no one above the rank of buck Sargent ever typed anything longer than a brief "Reply by Endorsement."

These documents look to be the work of someone who had a couple of years or ROTC and quit before advanced ROTC because he realized he had to be in more than a couple of years to make 5 stars.

At best they are the work of a fresh recruit to the TANG and LTC Killian was not a man who knew how to constructively chew ass.

653 posted on 09/09/2004 12:56:14 PM PDT by N. Theknow (Kerry Kool-Aid: Changes flavors with every sip. Being Wrong is better than being F'n Wrong.)
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To: andy58-in-nh

Cut to the chase
CHECK THIS OUT!

http://www.cnsnews.com//ViewPolitics.asp?Page=\Politics\archive\200409\POL20040909d.html


654 posted on 09/09/2004 12:57:03 PM PDT by MistyCA
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To: Sacajaweau
Email IBM. I'm sure they can answer your question.

Or find the real life guy from "Catch Me If You Can." I'm sure he could spot a forged letter. That is his specialty. If you saw the movie you know what I mean. I believe he works for corporations spotting forged checks and other forgeries. I bet he would LOVE to analyze these documents as to their authenticity.

655 posted on 09/09/2004 12:57:25 PM PDT by PJ-Comix
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To: justanotherfreeper

I believe the little th was on some balls but not all. My old Brother (which is a disk system) is the same way...it is on some but not all. You want to look at an IBM KEYBOARD.


656 posted on 09/09/2004 12:58:19 PM PDT by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: MountainPete

You are very welcome. Check this out if you haven't already

http://www.cnsnews.com//ViewPolitics.asp?Page=\Politics\archive\200409\POL20040909d.html


657 posted on 09/09/2004 12:58:38 PM PDT by MistyCA
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To: unspun

Thank you!!!


658 posted on 09/09/2004 12:59:13 PM PDT by MistyCA
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To: archy

That pic sure brings back memories. I learned to typeset on a Comp 4. It had a small memory and film inside which had to be processed, than pasted up on grid paper.


659 posted on 09/09/2004 1:00:31 PM PDT by Not gonna take it anymore (". . . stability cannot be purchased at the expense of liberty.")
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To: N. Theknow

Thank you for sharing those very good points! And thanks for coming aboard!! This is really getting exciting because I think we snagged the rats again!!!


660 posted on 09/09/2004 1:00:39 PM PDT by MistyCA
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