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What the Swifties Cost Us, Campaign 2004 gets mired in the Mekong Delta
TIME ^ | 08/29/04 | JOE KLEIN

Posted on 08/29/2004 8:39:24 AM PDT by Pikamax

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To: Pikamax

a bump for http://www.swiftvets.com/


21 posted on 08/29/2004 8:51:31 AM PDT by freddiedavis
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To: Pikamax

> But we're not really talking about Vietnam here, are we?
> We are talking about the politics of misdirection, about
? keeping John Kerry on the defensive by raising spurious
> questions about his "character."

Once Kerry tossed his hat in the ring, it was probably
inevitable that the SBVFT would form to oppose him. But
had the Kerry campaign focused on the recent past, and
the Kerry plan-of-the-moment, the Swifties would not
have had much traction.

By publishing "Tour of Duty", Kerry really incited the
Swifties to action, and handed them some powerful
evidence.

By using the unit photo without the consent of all
depicted, Kerry, enraged the Swifties further.

By making the Vietnam theme the core of the campaign
(and ignoring just about everything else), Kerry
enabled the topic for national debate.

The Pravda Press is lamenting that "their" party has
nominated an expert foot shooter (with no character).


22 posted on 08/29/2004 8:53:01 AM PDT by Boundless
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To: NavySEAL F-16
How stupid could the Democrat party be, to believe they could survive dragging out this traitor, and throwing him in our face as a candidate for "Commander in Chief?..

The 10's of millions of veterans that have served our Nation, are expected to FORGET what the bastard is and did?

The leftist "war hating" bastards, have snatched their "hero" out of a war they despised - show their validation of his ENTIRE POLITICAL CAREER, which was spent weakening America's struggle to survive, and expect us to vote for this turd?

They're truly freaking nuts!

Semper Fi
23 posted on 08/29/2004 8:53:20 AM PDT by river rat (You may turn the other cheek...But I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: NavySEAL F-16
To paraphrase Orwell from his book "Animal Farm", some memories are more equal than others.

Kerry can recall Vietnam when he wants, others need ask. Anyone who is confused as to what is allowed to be said, to whom, and when need only, in writing, ask the Kerry/Edwards campaign, or authorized Major Media Outlets. Please include a $100,000 cash filing fee. Allow 6 weeks to 35 years for response. Click "Veterantrashcan.com@DNCKerry/Edwards.com.org" to track your application.
24 posted on 08/29/2004 8:53:42 AM PDT by Leisler (Kerry, release your Department of Defense SF 180)
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To: Pikamax
What the Swifties Cost Us Campaign 2004 gets mired in the Mekong Delta

Campaign is mired in bringing out the truth about Kerry
25 posted on 08/29/2004 8:55:19 AM PDT by uncbob
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To: Pikamax
I spent three years in the 1980s writing about a platoon of former Marines, men I consider heroes, and several unburdened themselves of awful memories before we were done: tossing a Vietnamese prisoner out of a helicopter, shooting an obviously innocent woman civilian in the back, collecting the ears of enemy dead. It was a meaningless, despicable war, and insane brutality was not an uncommon reaction.

Name names, Joe Klein. Or, is this more of the Winter Soldiers?

I would suggest that Joe got to Stolen Valor and watch the videos.

26 posted on 08/29/2004 8:57:01 AM PDT by NavySEAL F-16 (Proud to be a Reagan Republican)
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To: Pikamax

But Time is a nooooze-magazine. Everything they say must be true because it's noooooooze.


27 posted on 08/29/2004 8:57:24 AM PDT by P.O.E.
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To: Pikamax

I think history will record Kerry as having the stupidest campaign slogan of all time: "If you want to know what John Kerry is made of, ask someone who served with him."


28 posted on 08/29/2004 8:59:17 AM PDT by js1138 (Speedy architect of perfect labyrinths.)
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To: Pikamax

Seldom have I seen any politician so hoisted by his own petard. This article would make some sense if Kerry hadn't made Vietnam the centerpiece of his campaign. Much as Klein and the rest of Kerry's MSM support would like, they and Kerry did Vietnam as nausem for months now they can't get out of their own trap.


29 posted on 08/29/2004 8:59:40 AM PDT by don'tbedenied
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To: uncbob

The Kerry flap will get those Vietnam vets to the polls. My Marine buddy flames when he talks about Americans incited by the likes of Kerry spitting on him. He'll make sure he gets to the polls to vote!!


30 posted on 08/29/2004 9:00:02 AM PDT by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: Pikamax
Corrected: "What the SwiftiesKerry Focus on Viet Nam Cost Us, Campaign 2004 gets mired in the Mekong Delta"
31 posted on 08/29/2004 9:01:02 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Truth : Liberal as Kryptonite : Superman)
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To: Pikamax
—that would be the day a Bush campaign lawyer resigned because of his ties to the Swifties,

A Bush outside counsel provided legal advice to both the Swifties and the Bush campaign and, to avoid any appearance of conflict, he cut any ties to the Bush campaign. Joe Klein squeals.

A Kerry outside counsel continues to provide legal advice to both the MoveOn.org and the Kerry campaign. Joe Klein says absolutely nothing about it.

The Liberal news media is nothing more than a Democrat 527 group.

32 posted on 08/29/2004 9:01:05 AM PDT by Polybius
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To: Pikamax
What do we, as a nation, do about the downside of economic globalization?

The Luddite fallacy, recast in the language of the 21st century. What will the weavers do, now that Jacquard-loom textiles are cheap? What will all the buggy-whip makers do, now that people drive cars? What will the ribbon makers do--for health insurance, anyway--now that third-world peasants make them cheaper?

Same old story. Same old answer: find another job.

33 posted on 08/29/2004 9:02:08 AM PDT by Physicist
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To: dts32041
The same Joe Klein who wrote The Running Mate with a little input from Senator John McCain, if memory serves me correctly.

From Amazon.com:

Now, in The Running Mate, Klein takes the reader on an exuberant, wicked, and unerringly wise political journey with Senator Charlie Martin, a decorated veteran of the war in Vietnam. The experience of combat and his easy dominance of home-state politics have made Charlie fearless. He's a hot, if occasionally reckless, political property--dashing, honorable, and irreverent.

And then Charlie's life begins to fall apart. He campaigns for the presidency and fails. The wacky father of a volunteer decks him--in front of the cameras; a well-kept secret from Charlie's Vietnam days is revealed; he reluctantly finds himself at the center of a friend's cliff-hanging confirmation process for Secretary of Defense....And Senator Martin begins to learn that politics in an era of spin, marketing, and vicious personal assaults can be as treacherous--and life-threatening--as combat was.


34 posted on 08/29/2004 9:02:58 AM PDT by arasina (So there.)
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To: Pikamax
Joe Klein is wrong. The Swift boat controversy has not reached its apogee - there's more to come, the apogee lies ahead. This is Kerry's worst nightmare. "Mamma T, please help me!"
35 posted on 08/29/2004 9:03:42 AM PDT by Malesherbes
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To: ottothedog
MSM is in complete denial.

No longer denial. MSM is now is full battle mode to shut down the story. They know the inconsistencies, lies and exaggerations Kerry has told. Does anyone think they're going to enumerate them for all to see? Nope, they're past denial and well into suppression.

36 posted on 08/29/2004 9:09:08 AM PDT by Use It Or Lose It ( www.swiftvets.com)
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To: river rat
Time and the rest of the MSM are just as guilty as Kerry of libeling every Viet Nam vet, which is why they are now "deploring" the Swifties for pointing they and the Dhimmicrats are just as much a bunch of liars as JF'nK.
37 posted on 08/29/2004 9:13:11 AM PDT by pierrem15
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To: Pikamax

John Kerry started it. His entire campaign for president has been one long flashback to his four months in Vietnam.

It's his flashback of course and he can see it any way he pleases, as long as he keeps it to himself. Once he bases his Campaign for President on how he chooses to define the events of those four months, it becomes every voters business, and we have a need and a right to know the truth. Not just Kerry's version of what is truth, but Swift Vets for truth's version as well.

Sign that form 180 matey and we will all decide for ourselves.


38 posted on 08/29/2004 9:13:22 AM PDT by F.J. Mitchell (Hey Kerry! the Swift Vets and you, know which story is true-you say they lied-we say bullsh*t!.)
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To: Pikamax

If you have a problem with the Vietnam war being an issue, Joe, go bitch at John Kerry about it.


39 posted on 08/29/2004 9:14:33 AM PDT by SuziQ (Bush in 2004-Because we MUST!!!)
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To: Pikamax
...a woman named Elba Nieves stood at a town meeting in Philadelphia and told John Kerry that she had recently been laid off. The candidate proceeded to ask her a series of questions. She answered with quiet dignity. She had worked in a ribbon factory for four years.

She said the company was having trouble keeping up with foreign competitors and was forced to close when it was refused a new bank loan. She was given no notice of termination, no severance package. Her shift—about 300 people—was simply called together at the end of a workday and dismissed. "They were changing the locks even before we left," she added. The audience, composed mostly of trade unionists, gasped and groaned.

I called Nieves the next day to check the details of her story, and, as it happened, there were some complicating factors. First, she admitted that her question had been precooked—her union had asked her to come to the event and tell the story. Kerry turned to Nieves immediately; her question was the first.

This, in itself, isn't a terrible thing: George Bush constantly manages to "find" small-business people at his town meetings whose companies are booming because of his tax cuts. But Nieves went on to tell me that she recently had been called back to work at the ribbon factory and refused to return, on the advice of her union, because the company wouldn't continue her health insurance.

Fascinating.

40 posted on 08/29/2004 9:17:04 AM PDT by cyncooper
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