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DNA to reveal source of Dead Sea Scrolls
Jerusalem Post ^ | Aug. 18, 2004 | SARAH KATZ

Posted on 08/17/2004 9:43:31 PM PDT by yonif

Authorities are hoping that DNA testing of animal bones discovered in excavations at the Qumran plateau will reveal the origins of the Dead Sea Scrolls. Archeologists believe the findings will resolve the debate sparked nearly half a century ago with the discovery of the biblical manuscripts in 11 separate caves on the shores of the Dead Sea.

Prof. Oren Gutfield of Hebrew University, who participated in the excavations, is attempting to ascertain the relationship between the scrolls and their place of discovery.

"What we will do now are DNA tests to these bones in order to compare DNA results from these animals with DNA of the Dead Sea Scrolls parchment. A connection was never found between the Dead Sea Scrolls and the site itself, but if a match is found it means that the people who lived in Qumran actually prepared the scrolls from animals at the site itself," Gutfield said.

The seven bone deposits of mules eaten and buried inside cleaning pots and storage jars by the Qumran community in the 1st century BCE will undergo DNA testing this week.

Archeologists will compare the findings of the bones with the DNA of the scrolls conducted over the past five years. Also, the Qumran storage pots resemble those found inside the caves with the scrolls.

According to Gutfield, "If the bone deposits, which are unique to the plateau, match with the scrolls, we will be able to resolve one of the greatest debates of the archeological world today – do the scrolls originate from within the Qumran community or were they transported to the caves from outside before the siege of the Romans in 66 CE?"

There are two schools of thought regarding the origin of the scrolls. Most scholars, led by archeologist Roland de Voux, who directed the excavations at the plateau in the 1950s, claim that the 900 scrolls originate from both within Qumran and also from contributions of individuals joining the community.

A group of dissidents argues that the site must be disconnected from the scrolls. The manuscripts, written by high priests, were only transported to the caves immediately before the Roman siege of Jerusalem. Associate professor of archeology at Bar-Ilan University Hanan Eshel suggests that the majority of the manuscripts, although not all, are sectarian and were written by community members. He suggests that evidence for this thesis is rooted within the text of the scrolls themselves.

"The content of the scrolls prove that they [the dissidents] are wrong. They [the scrolls] describe the rules and workings of the Qumran community. Even more so, they speak out against the Jerusalem establishment and the priests of Jerusalem themselves," Eshel said.

"I can't understand why some people would deny a connection between the scrolls found in the cave and the site [Qumran] itself. In addition to the proximity of the caves to the site, one must go through the site to reach the caves. If a match is found, it will prove the connection once and for all," he said.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Israel; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: archaeology; deadseascrolls; dna; epigraphyandlanguage; ggg; godsgravesglyphs; helixmakemineadouble; history; israel; mtdna; qumran
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1 posted on 08/17/2004 9:43:32 PM PDT by yonif
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To: yonif
"66 CE?" "

Whens'at?

2 posted on 08/17/2004 10:02:09 PM PDT by bayourod (I resent Kerry telling me that his values, not mine are the only true American values.)
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To: yonif

Will be interesting to hear the results of this!


3 posted on 08/17/2004 10:03:14 PM PDT by Ros42
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To: SJackson

Ping.


4 posted on 08/17/2004 10:10:35 PM PDT by yonif ("So perish all Thine enemies, O the Lord" - Judges 5:31)
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To: bayourod
"66 CE?" " Whens'at?

CE = Common Era.

Seems that BC and AD are no longer used by religious scholars because their meanings are too religious.

5 posted on 08/17/2004 10:16:02 PM PDT by Noachian (Legislation without representation is tyranny)
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To: Noachian

I bristle at the use of CE and BCE instead of AD and BC. "Seems that BC and AD are no longer used by religious scholars because their meanings are too religious." It's a cute irony, but I, personally, find nothing ironic in the fact that a Hebrew University professor chooses not to refer to Anno Domini (The year of our Lord).


6 posted on 08/17/2004 10:19:56 PM PDT by dangus
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To: bayourod
BCE and CE are the new political correct way to say BC and AD. Remember, we can't be mentioning God or Jesus. It might insult Jews, Muslims, or heaven forbid, atheists.

As a historian, it is a pain in the butt because all my papers have to say BCE/CE but I still use BC and AD in speaking.

7 posted on 08/17/2004 10:24:07 PM PDT by COEXERJ145 (I Annoy Buchananites)
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To: yonif
This is interesting. But to get back somewhat on subject, lately it has been found that the Governor of New Jersey is not much interested in bones. He does, by admission, have an unusual interest in boners. Unfortunately, boners, which can be a driving force in public policy sometimes, are not likely
to become part of the fossil records anytime soon.
8 posted on 08/17/2004 10:34:07 PM PDT by kylaka
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To: dangus
Maybe a better idea would be to just say 1938 years ago.
That would be compatible with which ever arbitrary starting point man can invent.
9 posted on 08/17/2004 10:36:21 PM PDT by ASA Vet (Tourette's syndrome is just a $&#$*!% excuse for poor *%$#** language skills.)
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To: blam

Qumran ping.


10 posted on 08/17/2004 10:40:53 PM PDT by BlackVeil
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To: bayourod

"Common Era" (CE) = AD, "Before the Common Era" (BCE) = BC. Even 10-15 yrs ago it was in use in Catholic high schools.

Before that, I'd never encountered such a ridiculous thing.


11 posted on 08/17/2004 11:41:52 PM PDT by newzjunkey (Why are we in Iraq? Just point the whiners here: http://www.massgraves.info)
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To: ASA Vet

>>Maybe a better idea would be to just say 1938 years ago.<<

Yeah, we could just standardize an HTML module that adds 1 after each year passes. Oh, wait, there's that annoying persistence of *hardcopy*. Oh, well. I guess I'll just keep using AD and BC, and allow a Jewish guy to say CE and BCE. But any time I see someone use CE, I'll know he has difficulty identifying with Christianity.


12 posted on 08/18/2004 7:24:51 AM PDT by dangus
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13 posted on 08/18/2004 9:47:24 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Unlike some people, I have a profile. Okay, maybe it's a little large...)
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To: dangus
CE and BCE are obnoxious artifacts of anti-Christian sentiment. The same people who change AD into CE wouldn't dream of altering the meaning of other dating systems. In archaeological circles there are dating methods in common use that don't slander anyone's religiously based dating systems.

BP (before present; present = 1950) has been in use for many years. Under this system 66 AD is the same as 1884 BP.
14 posted on 08/19/2004 5:18:19 AM PDT by Varda
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To: Varda
CE and BCE are obnoxious artifacts of anti-Christian sentiment.

God forbid they should have to deal with the elephant in the room, that being, the event that set the demarcation.

15 posted on 08/19/2004 5:38:20 AM PDT by LTCJ (God Save the Constitution.)
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To: yonif
"The seven bone deposits of mules eaten and buried inside cleaning pots and storage jars by the Qumran community in the 1st century BCE will undergo DNA testing this week."


WHAT????? Hebrews, Israelites would not eat mules!!!!
16 posted on 08/19/2004 5:41:18 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: yonif
Animal bones? Wait, are they trying to say that sheep and maybe a cow wrote the dead sea scrolls? What am I missing here? One group of people used only one genetically specific branch of some particular species? I'm pretty sure "farm" animals were traded everyday all over the middle east. Sometimes I think these scientists go too far in trying to prove a theory. Perhaps they have to keep really "reaching" to keep university grant money coming in.
17 posted on 08/19/2004 5:49:37 AM PDT by Lockbar (Hell starts at home.)
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To: yonif

First of all, I'd like to know why anyone would bother to bury mule bones.


18 posted on 08/19/2004 5:51:05 AM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: Just mythoughts

Actually, aren't equines kosher? Their hooves aren't cloven, after all. I'll have to get out the Bible...


19 posted on 08/19/2004 5:52:32 AM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: LTCJ

No kidding. The origin, history and purpose of the Gregorian calendar (and the Julian calendar which it replaced) is entirely Christian. These guys want to pretend it isn't what it is.


20 posted on 08/19/2004 5:56:34 AM PDT by Varda
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