I'd hate to fall off of that rain forest!
Posted on 05/21/2004 10:42:47 AM PDT by Truth666
These are three of the dogmas which we are endoctrinated nowadays in school : #1 - origins of the current forms life forms: by evolution from previous forms #2 - appearance of Homo Sapiens (from encarta): The oldest known fossils that possess skeletal features typical of modern humans date from between 130,000 and 90,000 years ago. #3 - last ice age (from encarta): the most recent ice age, the Pleistocene Epoch, lasted from about 1.6 million years to 10,000 years before present ... when temperatures were 5° to 7° C cooler than today.
#1 and #2 are part of current evolution theory; #3 is part of current ice age theory.
There can be no doubts that no other theory has so much impact on modern society as evolution theory. In view of the signs of climate change from the last years, ice age theory is impacting society more by the day.
From these dogmas we immediately can take the following conclusion : homo sapiens has already experienced an ice age.
Now hold on to your seat : relying solely on the assumptions of both theories, there's plenty of evidence that AT LEAST one of these theories is false ! In other words : these theories are incompatible.
Let's take one piece of evidence that any high school student can understand.
This wonder of the world would be immediately destroyed, if the ocean temperature would drop just one degree Celsius. If the temperature would drop 5°C both endemic unmistakable palms (including the most popular indoor palm of the world, howea forsteriana) would also perish. So, just to take these two examples, both the coral and the howea would have had to have developed from scratch during the last 10,000 years. A claim that nobody would dare to make.
(Excerpt) Read more at encarta.msn.com ...
All my life, I have believed in Jesus, God and the Bible. I thought I understood what has been taught to me over the years and that it was factual information.
After listening to the Creationists and their extremely distorted views of physical reality, perhaps it is time that I re-evaluate what I was taught as a child.
When people must distort, twist and lie to justify their views of religion, something is very wrong!
Way to go Creationists, you have gone a long way in convincing me that the Bible is nothing but fiction. I know that was not your desire, but it is how you are presenting your arguments.
Trust but verify....
Why, that's God's beard! He was just exiting the frame when the picture was snapped, having molded palm trees and coral out of the living clay.
But what is the capital of Assyria?
VEGETATION A wide variety of vegetation types has been described for the islands, with the diversity corresponding with the range of habitats, viz. lowland, montane, valleys, ridges and areas exposed to the maritime influence. Variable exposure to wind and penetration of salt spray appear to be the main determinants of vegetation occurrence, structure and floristics. Lord Howe Island is almost unique among small Pacific Ocean islands in that its mountains have sufficient altitude for the development of true cloud forest on their summits. These are 241 native species of vascular plants on the island, including 105 endemics (DEST/ERIN (1995). Sixteen of these are considered rare, endangered or vulnerable. There are four endemic palm species in three endemic genera. There are also two other endemic genera in the families Asteraceae and Gesneriaceae. Other endemic species are widely scattered among families. Endemism is particularly noticeable among ferns and in the families Asteraceae, Myrsinaceae, Myrtaceae and Rubiaceae. There are 48 species of indigenous pteriodphytes (including 19 endemic ferns) belonging to 32 genera, and 180 species of angiosperms (56 endemics) in 149 genera. A further four species are represented by endemic subspecies or varieties; there are no gymnosperms. Some of the endemics suggest recent speciation, and many have confusing origins, such as the three endemic palm genera Howea, Hedyscope and Lepidorrhachis, and also Dietes sp., the three congeners of which are endemic to southern Africa and which has seeds with apparently only short range dispersal capacity. Other noteworthy endemics are Dendrobium moorei and Bubbia howeana. Many species are threatened or have restricted distribution on the island; there is only one known plant of non-endemic Pandanus pedunculatus, and Chionochloa conspicua ssp. nov. (Poaceae) is an endemic known only from one clump on Mount Lidgbird.
The vegetation has affinities with sub-tropical and temperate rain forests, and 129 plant genera are shared with Australia, 102 with New Caledonia and only 75 with New Zealand. There are 160 naturalised, introduced plant species, mostly, but not exclusively, in the lowland settlement area. Weed species of the greatest immediate concern within the preserve are bone seed (biton bush), kikuya grass (Davey, 1986) and asparagus fern Protoasparagus eathiopicus (Lord Howe Island Board in litt., August 1995). Many other species are potentially serious problems (Davey, 1986).
Twenty-five vegetation associations in twenty alliances have been identified (Pickard, 1983). Fourteen of these associations have endemic species as their dominant components. The slopes of the northern hills are dominated mostly by Drypetes/Cryptocaria rain forest, with Howea forsterana palm forest on the flats behind North Bay and H. belmoreana palm forest in the narrower gullies running down towards Old Settlement Beach. Melaleuca/Cassinia scrubs and Cyperus and Poa grasslands occur on the exposed slopes of Mount Eliza and along the crest of the sea cliffs on the northern coast. The southern mountains are covered with a more variable suite of rain forest and palm associations, often with Pandanus along drainage lines, and with scrub and cliff associations in the more exposed parts and along the coastline. Mutton Bird Point(on the east coast) and King Point (at the southern tip) have small occurrences of Poa grassland. The upper slopes of mounts Gower and Lidgbird include areas of forest dominated by another of the endemic palms, Hedyscepe canterburyana. The very humid summit plateau on Gower and the summit ridge on Lidgbird consist of structurally distinct gnarled mossy forest (Davey, 1986).
So you can't even get the details right about what grows where on Lord Howe. Come back when you've utilized the internet to vet your theories.
You lose credibility when the first sentence uses the non-word "endoctrinated".
Good answer. I got my EYE on you.
The provincial capital is Babylon, but the global HQ is The Hague.
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Doh,
Of course he means that since evolution is false (the premise), the ice-ages make evolution false.. oh wait.. nevermind -.-
500 km is not a particularly long distance for a coconut (if that is the "seed" type for this palm) to drift. If this island is surrounded by warm currents it is a fair bet that the water came from tropical areas rather than the ice caps. Same for the reef animals. Seems simple enough to me.
But african swallows are non-migratory.
You want evidence of the last ice age? Fly over Minnesota sometime and see all of the lakes.
I'm hoping you continued to read this thread and have come to absorb the many ways "Truth666" was misleading and wrong in his original post.
Yes, sometimes we can be a bit harsh, but after 23423 posts with lies, yes, lies, it becomes tough to maintain the high ground all the time.
I'd hate to fall off of that rain forest!
Oh, yeah, you're overlooking one itty bitty detail. During the Ice Ages, sea level dropped around 400 feet. Which would have left the coral reef high and dry. However, another one would have started at the lower sea level, and then re-formed at the new level. Coral grows quite quickly - Japanese planes shot down in atoll lagoons during WWII are already well-crusted with corals.
Coconuts can float:
http://waynesword.palomar.edu/pldec398.htm
Build a BRIDGE out of 'er!
So are you saying that the unmistakable palms of Lord Howe could have developed during the last 10,000 years from other palms ?
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